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Posted: 21 May 2008 09:58 PM   [ Ignore ]  
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Hello!

I have recently began practicing Bikram Yoga.  I am very athletic and flexible, so I LOVE Bikram.  The only issue I have been having is that the room STINKS.  It’s very intense. I just assumed that this was normal due to the sweating and carpet, but now I am not so sure.  Is this normal?  Is this a sign of an unsafe studio?  I have started to read reviews on the studio, and I am suspecting that this isn’t something one should expect of their studio.

I really love the practice, and this is the only studio near by house, but if this is unsafe, I guess I should find a new place to practice!

Thanks so much!
Regan

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Posted: 22 May 2008 12:25 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 1 ]  
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I’m very curious to see what answers come up here.

Ours is occasionally on the stinky side, especially near the carpet ;~).  It’s definitely not normally obnoxious but people all have different sniffers.  I generally don’t find the normal sweat smell (which to me is slightly oniony) particularly offensive, but foot type odours sends me up the wall.

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Posted: 23 May 2008 05:55 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 2 ]  
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I think it’s a matter of luck.  You can be lucky and be in the same spot as a not very smelly person was the class before, (or a few classes prior) or not so lucky…  Sometimes I am not bothered by the smells, but other times, particularly when face down for the second half of the class, it is overwhelming & I am sure I am lying in a pool of someone else’s sweat. (Well, of course I am, but I think about it more if I decide it’s a bit on the nose…)  If a class has just finished you know there is going to be a lot of sweat floating around.  then again, maybe it’s the old sweat that smells more. Maybe it’s just another distraction from what we should be focusing on.  It would be interesting to know how often the carpets get cleaned…  I know that whenever I describe Bikram yoga to friends, they are always particularly interested in the smell factor.  Love to hear what others think.  Namaste

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Posted: 23 May 2008 03:04 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 3 ]  
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Hello Everyone

You won’t believe this! I was in the middle of a very long answer to the first 2 posts the other night and then my computer absolutely died! Really!

I have some comments, food for thought, great suggestions and ideas for you all. But… I am leaving right now for a 3 day course so… stay tuned and I will get back to you.

Have a wonderful weekend
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Posted: 26 May 2008 01:35 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 4 ]  
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i practice in a studio with carpet as well and have never thought there was any odour at all other than some insense or something they have in another area…my class is very intense also and i know i sweat like crazy but i just don’t think this sounds normal and i wouldn’t be able to practice in that kind of smell, but thats just me!!  good luck!!

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Posted: 26 May 2008 06:43 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 5 ]  
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Hello everyone

Now back from my weekend away I can now devote some time to re-formulating my answer. For me this issue of sweat really comes down to some very important HYGIENE factors. In my opinion, it is firstly the responsibility of the studio owners and teachers to create the right conditions for health and hygiene. Further on you will see what I do in my own studios to create optimal conditions. But first let’s look at the issues.

PROBLEM NUMBER 1:
When you practice at a studio there is always going to be the smell of sweat. If you started out with a completely pristine space and no one had ever practiced Hot Yoga in there, you would smell the sweat in the air from the very first class.

PROBLEM NUMBER 2:

If, at your studio, sweat that drips off the body falls directly onto the carpet then you have the potential for sweat to lie around for hours, days or even months. This is a breeding ground for all sorts of microorganisms.

PROBLEM NUMBER 3:

Hygiene can become a problem dependent on 2 factors; the ability to air the room and the material that gets sweated on.

Now a couple of stories.
Where we first practiced:
When Robert and I first started this yoga years ago we have some very unpleasant experiences about smell and sweat. Both of us recall, just like you Jacquie, lying face down in someone else’s PUDDLE of sweat. It was extremely off putting. And yes, old sweat smells much worse.

Besides being a turn off it is a hazardous condition for people to exercise in. The heat creates a breeding ground for the microbes in the room. Yikes.

Our first home studio:
My first studio was my converted double car garage at home. We set it up with a full wall of mirrors, carpeted and properly insulated. When practicing at a studio there is almost an expectation that you are going to smell some sweat in the studio before, during and after every single class. BUT when you are at home, somehow smelling any sweat outside of class is NOT an option. By default you MUST find a way to handle it.

After my very first public class at home (which was only tiny) we already had wet patches on the carpet and the smell was traveling through the house. We lifted the carpet to air it but it never completely dried or was cleansed as the stain would remain. We HAD to come up with another option.

Placing the towel across your mat (BEWARE: contentious idea - that really works wink )
We started to position the towel across the mat in a ‘T’ or a ‘t’ formation. When students arrive they place their towel across the mat and just before they get to the 2 min Savasana the towel is picked up and placed lengthwise on the mat.

What this means is that any sweat that drips from you is collected by the towel. All Warrior poses where you straddle the mat still have you positioned over your towel. Now 99% of your sweat drips onto your own towel. YOU get to take it home and take responsibility for your sweat. The studio stays cleaner and smells more fresh.

The studio owners and teachers still have to work to keep the studio smelling clean and fresh. The biggest determinant I have found in keeping a fresh hygienic studio (once dripping sweat onto carpet is no longer happening) is to have the studio well ventilated and aired after every single class. Every night when we left the space, the doors would be left wide open. And yes, you can use incense and essential oils, but not to mask the smells and hoodwink people into believing the space is clean.

Some people get really turned off by the smells in the studio. While we can ask people not to wear strong fragrances, we can’t ask them not to eat garlicky food before class - but that happens and it is not very pleasant standing next to someone who enjoys these things. Foot odor, the smell of garlic sausage, strong perfume or even oils and incense can be equally offensive to some. My aim is to provide a neutral environment where anyone can be comfortable.

I know the towel position thing is going to get some of you a bit perturbed. Yes, I have had my fair share of visiting students or other Bikram teachers who are dogmatic about the fact that Bikram doesn’t do it this way. My answer to them is simple: the position of your towel has ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to do with the practice of the yoga. It is simply a way to provide the best possible conditions for you and everyone around you.

I also tell them that the results speak for themselves. No one EVER complains of a stink in my studios. And even better than that: our carpet cleaning bill is not 80% of what a regular studio spends. It is not even 50%. Not even 10% of what a regular studio spends on cleaning. We needed to professionally steam clean our carpet 2 times a year. HONESTLY.

Last point of carpet. If your studio is using regular indoor use carpet then it is probably a breeding ground for germs - especially if there is underlay. My advice is to use a commercial quality indoor/outdoor carpet that is designed for moist conditions.

Thanks Regan for bringing up this problem. My suggestion is for anyone who is concerned to approach your studio owners and teachers with ideas for improvement. It is your practice and you can place your towel any way you like. If you are the only one who does that then it doesn’t address the rest of the environment but you could feel a little more comfortable in your own space.

Hey, I have to sign off, I have run out of room cheese

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Posted: 26 May 2008 07:30 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 6 ]  
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I have practiced in a studio where the flooring was some sort of special yoga-flooring.  It kind of looked like ramon-noodles, or carpeting made out of rubber.  I believe it can be hosed down.

Anyway, I think once the smell overcomes people, it is time for the studio to change the carpet.  The studio that I practice at is new, but I can not imagine them letting things get bad.

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Posted: 27 May 2008 09:32 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 7 ]  
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Gabrielle - 26 May 2008 09:43 PM

Placing the towel across your mat (BEWARE: contentious idea - that really works wink )
We started to position the towel across the mat in a ‘T’ or a ‘t’ formation. When students arrive they place their towel across the mat and just before they get to the 2 min Savasana the towel is picked up and placed lengthwise on the mat.

What this means is that any sweat that drips from you is collected by the towel. All Warrior poses where you straddle the mat still have you positioned over your towel. Now 99% of your sweat drips onto your own towel. YOU get to take it home and take responsibility for your sweat. The studio stays cleaner and smells more fresh.

The studio owners and teachers still have to work to keep the studio smelling clean and fresh. The biggest determinant I have found in keeping a fresh hygienic studio (once dripping sweat onto carpet is no longer happening) is to have the studio well ventilated and aired after every single class. Every night when we left the space, the doors would be left wide open. And yes, you can use incense and essential oils, but not to mask the smells and hoodwink people into believing the space is clean.

Some people get really turned off by the smells in the studio.

Very interesting.  I practiced once in an ‘unofficial’ Bikram class where they had hardwood floors.  Their solution was to turn sideways for the separate leg postures so that you were stepping the length of the mat.  Stepping off the mat was a sure way to end up somewhere else.

I agree completely about fresh air.  For me incense and oils are just additional smells with which to contend.

Take Care,
Lee

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Posted: 27 May 2008 01:54 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 8 ]  
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Hi Lee

Thank you very much for your comment.

In a hardwood floored studio, stepping out after changing direction is a necessity because there is a very real risk of slipping. Good solution! The sweat mostly drips onto the towel.

I think that any physical strategy to cope with the problem in the studio really needs to have absolute minimal conscious input DURING the class - a kind of set-and-forget solution. The ‘t’ towel and mat, and turning on your mat for stepping out work well. Stepping out along your own mat - and this is just a personal preference I am proffering - has the potential to disturb the self-connection that you gain. I broached that in Meditation 101, the free pdf last week. It works best if you can turn and still be facing a mirror.

Breathe that clean fresh air! wink

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Posted: 29 May 2008 08:02 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 9 ]  
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yucky yucky yucky! our carpet stinks really bad too. we are hoping to get new stuff soon! what is the normal time frame to replace carpet at a bikram yoga studio? is there a recommended time frame? i’m curious because i think it should be every year! even getting them cleaned regularly doesn’t see like enough. i expect a “locker room” smell, after all we are all sweating, but if you can smell it even after the carpets were cleaned??? ew.

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Posted: 01 June 2008 05:37 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 10 ]  
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Hello Heidi Jo

Thanks for your question!

When do you replace the carpet? Well, that depends on the carpet that you have!

If your studio is using regular indoor use carpet then it is probably a breeding ground for germs - especially if there is underlay. My advice is to use a commercial quality indoor/outdoor carpet that is designed for moist conditions.

We needed to professionally steam clean our carpet 2 times a year. HONESTLY.

Don’t place normal carpet that you would buy for a house. It cannot cope with being wet and dirty all the time, especially as most studios don’t have systems in place to stop the sweat dripping on the carpet.

Good luck getting to training!

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Posted: 06 June 2008 07:59 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 11 ]  
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Placing the towel across your mat (BEWARE: contentious idea - that really works wink )
We started to position the towel across the mat in a ‘T’ or a ‘t’ formation. When students arrive they place their towel across the mat and just before they get to the 2 min Savasana the towel is picked up and placed lengthwise on the mat.

What this means is that any sweat that drips from you is collected by the towel. All Warrior poses where you straddle the mat still have you positioned over your towel. Now 99% of your sweat drips onto your own towel. YOU get to take it home and take responsibility for your sweat. The studio stays cleaner and smells more fresh.

The studio owners and teachers still have to work to keep the studio smelling clean and fresh. The biggest determinant I have found in keeping a fresh hygienic studio (once dripping sweat onto carpet is no longer happening) is to have the studio well ventilated and aired after every single class. Every night when we left the space, the doors would be left wide open. And yes, you can use incense and essential oils, but not to mask the smells and hoodwink people into believing the space is clean.

Some people get really turned off by the smells in the studio.

Very interesting.  I practiced once in an ‘unofficial’ Bikram class where they had hardwood floors.  Their solution was to turn sideways for the separate leg postures so that you were stepping the length of the mat.  Stepping off the mat was a sure way to end up somewhere else.

I agree completely about fresh air.  For me incense and oils are just additional smells with which to contend.

Take Care,
Lee

My studio is also hardwood floors (bamboo) and this eliminates the stink until people start sweating and stinking. The only draw back is that the hardwood floor does not cushion my feet as well as carpet but the idea of someone sweating on the carpet is kinda gross.

Also I have to say that most classes that I go to that have all vegetarians stink less and this is a proven fact for my wife and I. So for the sake of your yogi neighbors go Vegetarian!

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Posted: 06 June 2008 08:12 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 12 ]  
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Also I have to say that most classes that I go to that have all vegetarians stink less and this is a proven fact for my wife and I. So for the sake of your yogi neighbors go Vegetarian!

Umm, at the risk of offending all meat-eaters, I completely agree!

As a vegetarian for 27 years, I feel compelled to add that there are things other than sweat that also stink less for vegetarians (but that really is off-topic now ...).

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Posted: 01 July 2008 11:12 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 13 ]  
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My studio is hardwood (old dance studio) and my friend that I referred this yoga to tried a different studio while she was away and that studio was carpeted.  I’ve only read about it, but never actually thought that carpet was used considering all the sweat that happens and it would be less maintenance and troublesome to have hardwood floors.  As for the cushion factor, there are thicker yoga mats and for the floor series, many students at my studio use the super-thick mats or something to place underneath their yoga mat.  I’ve never heard of foot discomfort, but people (esp. newbies) do complain about back/shoulder discomfort during the savasnas.

Are many studios carpeted? I’m completely baffled that someone would want to have sweat merely getting near the stuff (even if there was a towel on top) just because of the smell.

As for diet purposes, although vegetarians might have a more tolerable smell, they still consume garlic and beer/other forms of alcohol.

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Posted: 03 July 2008 05:42 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 14 ]  
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Hi Marietta

Just FYI: For the most part, Bikram studios are carpeted. It is part of the affiliation requirements: Bikram insists on carpet in the studios. The choice of carpet can make a huge difference (see above) coupled with studio ventilation. We used an indoor outdoor product (see above re towel placement as well).

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Posted: 21 October 2008 04:21 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 15 ]  
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teacher training carpet in L.A. was super stinky. with over 250 yogis sweating it out twice a day no wonder!! a few drops of peppermint oil on my mat near the front where my head would go for floor poses made a huge difference for me. hope this helps!

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