Arms over head aggravate neck/shoulder problem

Arms over head aggravate neck/shoulder problem2012-06-12T14:35:55+00:00
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  • natalie2012
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    Hi, I have a cronic neck and shoulder issue. Whiplash 10 years ago. I have been practicing Bikram yoga for 2 and 1/2 years, attended approx. 100 classes in that time.

    Sometimes I think Bikram is good for the problem and stretches out my neck/shoulders and other times I think it makes it worse.

    Right now, my neck and shoulders are extremely tight and everytime I put my arms over my head it feels like I am just increasing the tenion and tightness. Most of the standing poses require that the arms go up to the head and I am in exteme pain for the first half of the class, how can this be good for me?

    I have had three 1 and 1/2 hour neck/shoulder theraputic massages and they have not helped. I am off to the chiropractor today.

    I used to love Bikram, at the end of the class I felt so good I wanted to stay for the next class and do it again.

    the studio I attend are “Bikram Natzi’s”, follow the script exacty and you will be cured type attitude.

    Any suggestions or feedback?

    Gabrielle (The Hot Yoga Doctor)
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    Hi Natalie

    I can only imagine that you are STILL in the same pain you were in when you posted 3 weeks ago.

    The only way to resolve this problem is not to continually cause it every time you do yoga. Sounds flippant but it’s absolutely the answer.

    Every time you put your arms over your head you are probably doing your best to follow the directions. You are also worsening the problem. Meanwhile it’s also highly possible that your teachers are telling you to ‘listen to your body’.

    Your body is currently telling you to bend your arms. Next time you go to class, raise your arms over your head, and only lengthen and straighten them as far as they will go WITH YOUR SHOULDERS RELAXED and NO PAIN in your neck. Your palms may not be together, it doesn’t really matter. Your arms will be either bent just a tiny bit or they’ll be bent quite a lot.

    Your only issue is that IF your teachers notice, they may say “Natalie, straighten (or lock) your arms” (Or “squeeze your head with your arms” etc). Please just listen to your body, keep the arms over your head in a way that will maintain your relaxed shoulder position. The very INSTANT that your chin starts to drop is another sign that your arms are too straight.

    You must allow this to resolve and then I promise you (and just about guarantee you) that you will one day be able to straighten your arms and squeeze your head with no pain, but ONLY if you start now by allowing some flexibility into your own approach.

    You may need to try being out of your teachers’ radars in a seldom seen part of the room!

    Please tell me how you go

    Namaste
    Gabrielle 🙂

    Thanks for being patient, I am back from my teacher training program now, and catching up with all my forum posts!

    claudk_00
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    Hi Gabrielle

    Since I have been paying attention to rotating my shoulders outwards and pinning my shoulders down whilst lifting my arms, I seem to have developed shoulder soreness and sometimes sharp pain when i move my arms. This has been going on for 2 weeks and seems to get worse after yoga but not during.

    The pain is at the tip of both shoulders and also behind the shoulders where the curve meets the neck.

    Your instructions in the ‘Hot Masterclass’ have been superb on this subject, so what could I be doing wrong?

    Look forward to hearing back.

    Thanks.

    Namaste

    Claudia

    Gabrielle (The Hot Yoga Doctor)
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    Hi Claudia

    The first thing I need to ask you is how is your stance generally. Are you countering a longstanding rounded upper back at all.

    One thing at a time!

    Namaste
    Gabrielle 🙂

    claudk_00
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    Hi Gabrielle

    Yes I am!

    Just to give you some background:

    I suffer with Myofascial pain, due to years of bad posture. The scans have come back clear but my neck and back are always in spasm. Sometimes after yoga my body is relaxed but my neck becomes very stiff.

    I also suffer from sciatica and sciatic nerve irritation but there are no herniated discs or evidence on the scans as to why I suffer with back pain. All discs are apparently well-maintained?

    Thanks

    Claudia

    Sara V
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    Hi Claudia,

    I am one of graduates from Gabrielle’s teacher training. I too have shoulders that round forward (from my years at the computer). Throughout my entire teacher training both Gabrielle and my dear friend Andrea reminded me to keep bringing my shoulders down and back. Not just in class either: everywhere all the time! 😛 I speak from experience that it is not easy to break the habit and I did feel very sore between my shoulder blades at times. From years of rounding we’ve strengthened the muscles that should be stretching and stretched the muscles that should be keeping those shoulders down. A very helpful pose for me has been Heart Chakra Pose. It’s a yin pose and you can hold it anywhere from 3-5 minutes.

    I was also in a car accident last May and have found that massage can be really helpful with those whiplash symptoms. Are you able to try massage in addition to your yoga?

    Looking forward to hearing from you,

    Sara

    claudk_00
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    Hi Sara

    Thanks for getting back to me.

    I should probably find somewhere for massage but in the past massage has not been particularly helpful, (even the sports massages) as I find myself having the symptoms back as soon as I do the offending exercise or sit in front of the computer.Having said that, it is probably worth a try again.

    I will also start doing the Heart Chakra pose to see if that helps.

    When I bring my shoulders down and back I think it can cause strain of the shoulders as they are already spasmed but I’ll persevere. I have a sore shoulder for when i did that contiguously in class and seems reluctant to heal.

    It’s hard with yoga because I do seem to aggravate my symptoms but I hope that things will eventually improve.

    Have things improved for you?

    Thanks again.

    Claudia

    Sara V
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    Hi Claudia,

    My accident was just 2 weeks before teacher training and I stuck with the yoga however was very careful not to push through it. One day I had severe pain and spent an entire class laying on my mat in savasana. It’s very different taking a class with injury, rather than pushing to my edge I kept my focus on gentle stretching. It wasn’t easy and when I did start to push the envelope there were a few times I felt I had set myself back. I was starting to feel better when I got home continued with my Bikram practice and even started some vinyasa. I felt the injury in my right shoulder persisting and often it would span my ribs. My doctor actually recommended massage and thankfully one of my students is a phenomenal masseuse. The reason I had mentioned it, is because for me it wasn’t until my 6th massage (weekly sessions) that I really began to feel my body heal. As you described I was feeling great at the time but then triggering my injury with practice. The way she explained it to me is that it took us 6 sessions to “peel back the layers” (using an onion as an analogy) that were masking my injury and now she is really getting into the deep tissue that has been causing my pain. After my last session with her I notice a huge improvement in my mobility. There is still some tightness in my neck and low back but overall my body is feeling MUCH better. Keep in mind not all massages are the same and I really do believe this women is so gifted that I call her a healer. It make take some shopping around to find the right one for you. Our muscles are so deeply layered and the body is constantly trying to self correct which can lead the pain to show in other areas.

    Similarly to you I was also working on correcting my posture while working through my injury. I’m not sure Gabrielle’s take on the situation; for me the pain in my shoulder serves as a reminder to keep my shoulder’s down and back. No sense in healing my car accident injury but holding onto my poor posture 😉 So I have been working through them both and treating them as one. My posture has improved and my body is healing.

    I hope this was helpful. Please keep me updated!

    Wishing you all the best,

    Sara

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