Balancing in Standing Bow.

Balancing in Standing Bow.2008-03-06T18:46:44+00:00
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    Posted by beauxx

    Hi Gabrielle,

    I just posted a message to this forum but it seems to have vanished.
    With this pose I experience balancing difficulty–although some days I can
    hold it for the duration.
    Can this pose be broken into parts as you did
    wiht head to knee pose? Are my hips supposed to stay facing the mirror
    or turn to facilitate the turning and hiding of the rear shoulder as I go down? This
    part of the pose I struggle with and sense it is the part that throws off
    my balance as it constitutes the setup-sometimes I move my standing leg/foot around
    in the pose to prevent falling out–I also try placing my standing leg/foot a bit
    to the right or left to control my balance from the outset. Mentally I fight with the thought that I will fall out when I head down as I am unclear how to properly move/hide the rear shoulder.Lastly as I start down into the pose if I conciously start by kicking up and back my held leg my extended arm remains higher more easily.
    I am 6’ 4″–185 lbs and have long arms and legs if this is part of the equation.

    In gratitude,

    BL

    Gabrielle (The Hot Yoga Doctor)
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    Hello BL

    Another great question and more of your very astute observations.

    What you have here is a classic problem. The ‘dialog’ that is being quoted to you is not describing what you should actually do to get into the pose. In fact I must congratulate you for working it out yourself:

    …if I consciously start by kicking up and back my held leg my extended arm remains higher more easily.

    Basically when you are asked to drop your body down, or charge your body forward you are coming unstuck. As you have worked out, and as the pose name actually indicates, you are trying to create a BACKBEND.

    If you look around the studio, you will probably see that when students follow the directions in the dialog you are more likely to see yogis with their legs at varying heights, their arm almost out directly in front of them and their belly down, making their back straight. In fact it pretty much looks like Balancing Stick with a leg up in the air. 😉

    What you have to do first and foremost is work on the biggest deepest backbend you can muster.

    1) After holding your leg in your hand bring your knees back together. Your shoulder will drift a little behind you
    2) Bring up the other arm straight and strong, palm facing forward
    3) Your hips are square and your shoulders are already starting to orient themselves one behind the other
    4) Inhale stretch up as high and as strongly as you can, and on the exhale…
    5) Kick the foot back into your hand, kick your knee up to the ceiling AND
    6) DO NOT move your arm or body one little bit. They will move by themselves as you kick. But let the kick drive the pose. Let the shoulder get pulled back by the force of the kicking leg.
    7) The whole time try to touch the ceiling with your front arm. You won’t be able to of course, but the action of this will help you create a better backbend.
    8) Your back stays up. As you kick up your belly will come down all by itself. But try to keep the chest up as high as possible. After all how else are you going to be balancing in a standing back bend if your chest and abdomen are parallel to the floor?

    PS: Many teachers talk about bringing the hand down to eyebrow or eye level. This is sort of what happens when you are close to standing splits. So although it is correct, it is not at all right for an inflexible student or someone who cannot yet move deeply into this pose. It makes no sense to do this if you can hardly see the toes over the top of your head. Think of ALWAYS trying to get your hand to the ceiling and your chest up high. Just as going into stage 2 of Head to Knee you create the balance, the same thing is happening here, if you have to think about balance, you are probably doing it the wrong way. This pose is absolutely wonderful for demonstrating that. Reach up as high as you can, kick up and back as high as you can and BREATHE, and there you have it!

    As for you other questions.
    Your hips should ideally stay square. One of your constant adjustments is to keep dropping that hip. When you do you will feel a very satisfying compression in the lower spine and you will see the foot and leg move back into alignment.

    The other thing about the arms: The ‘hiding’ of the rear shoulder really occurs as you learn to surrender your arm to the kick. Let the kick drive the pose: the position of the body and the traction in the arms, let your arm be pulled backward so that only the grip is holding your arm there – not arms strength. The way I check in to that is to kick harder again with my leg backward. It is intense (phew) as I feel my quadriceps burning, but it feels great.

    You exhibit good body awareness and intuition when it comes to your poses. I think when you go with that intuition and follow the steps above (that you have pretty much worked out yourself) then I am sure that you will find that you no longer need to shift your foot to stop you from falling over.

    Thanks for the questions. Can’t wait to hear how it goes
    Namaste
    Gabrielle 🙂

    Emily
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    Gabrielle,

    Thanks so much for providing this fantastic step by step analysis. I have found this very helpful. It makes things so clear and I really can’t wait to put the tips into action!!

    Emily

    Gabrielle (The Hot Yoga Doctor)
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    Thank you again Emily

    Have fun in discovery

    Namaste
    Gabrielle 🙂

    kinks
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    Thank you Gabrielle for this advice.
    I came here to ask a similar question; I’m glad I did a search first. I was wondering if you had any advice about how your weight should be distributed over your foot/leg in this pose. Should we shift our weight forward over our toes or back over our heels? Or maybe centered evenly? I sometimes think it might even change as you get deeper into the posture since the direction of the force from the working leg changes (i.e. deeper into the posture and closer to ‘standing split’ you have an upward force where as in the beginning there’s more of an outward component from kicking). I’ve been bouncing around quite a bit in this pose (especially standing on the left) since I’ve started focusing on keeping my chin to my shoulder.

    Your advice would be greatly appreciated as well as input from others.

    Thanks,
    kinks

    Gabrielle (The Hot Yoga Doctor)
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    Hello kinks

    For me I find the most stable way to find my balance is to direct the weight through the center of the foot. The geometry of this pose will mean that your weight will not fall into the heel. If anything it will favor the ball of the foot – thanks to the position of the body and the forward arm. It is best to move the weight away from the toes and ground yourself more.

    And having said that when you are very deep into the pose (that is with a very high kicking leg) you can try bringing the weight into the toes for a moment then settle back again at the same time as opening up the space between the 2 knees – you can feel a lovely lengthening. It is subtle but those who are ready for it can try it and will know what I mean.

    Namaste
    Gabrielle 🙂

    thedancingj
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    If you look around the studio, you will probably see that when students follow the directions in the dialog you are more likely to see yogis with their legs at varying heights, their arm almost out directly in front of them and their belly down, making their back straight. In fact it pretty much looks like Balancing Stick with a leg up in the air. 😉

    And they are correct. It IS just like balancing stick. Same cardio benefits, same health benefits. The main difference is that in bow you are compressing one side of the body at a time.

    If you are inflexible, that is how the pose has to begin. Emmy says, ESPECIALLY if you are inflexible, you’ve got to get the body down. If the body doesn’t come down, there is no space for the kick to happen at all. You will stand upright trying to kick for years and never make any progress, and if you’re tight you will just end grinding in your knees and shoulders. If you are flexible and you keep your body up too long, then you just grind in the hip joint. No good.

    If the posture starts the right way, the backbend develops correctly over time.

    Balance in the posture does not come from kicking. It comes from getting the body down while you kick, and THEN kicking and stretching simultaneously.

    I believe this from my personal experience, the advice of every expert teacher I know, the other people’s practices that I’ve observed, and of course THE DIALOGUE. The dialogue is just RIGHT.

    Nynn
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    Hi Gabrielle,

    I have trouble keeping my balance in any poses that require balancing on one leg. I think the problem originates in that I turn out from my hips….

    ….. after 13+ years of ballet, standing with my hips turned out and my toes slightly pointing to either side instead of forward has become my body’s default posture. I look like a duck 😆 LOL, I spent years forcing my body to act this way, and now I want a do-over.

    I have GREAT balance with my hips/feet turned out — and to be honest, there are quite a few poses (e.g. Balancing Stick) where I “fudge” by letting my foot point slightly to the side — but as soon as I try to rotate my hips/feet inward, I fall right out of whatever I’m doing. Of all the poses, I’ve made almost zero progress with Standing Bow: more often than not I fall out of the setup way before I get to the kicking part.

    Any thoughts on how to fix this?

    Thanks.

    Gabrielle (The Hot Yoga Doctor)
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    Hi Nynn

    The likelihood is that you are very flexible so going into the ‘full’ pose is quite easy for you. So the difficulty for you will be one of recognizing when your body is not in alignment and backing off (or indeed only proceeding) to the point where your alignment is precise.

    Shifting one’s foot even 16ths of an inch is often an unconscious ‘cheat’. It is the body saying “I now that I can find my balance here” and “it’s safe and I don’t have to work for it”. It’s finding the path of least resistance. 😉 Up until now you have been turning out both hips. So …

    Slow down your pose for a while. Be super-conscious. Stand with your foot directly onto the mirror. Your job is to now kick back and up and at the very same time that you to drop the hip into best position on that side. You are basically resisting the hips turning out on both sides.

    What’s going to be ‘hard’ for you and possibly for others who teach you in the room is to accept that you will not be going as deeply into the pose. You will have to resist the temptation to “bring your body down parallel to the floor”. Just kick back and up, resist moving your torso or your front arm at all consciously. Just allow the kick to drive the pose and that’s it. Keep energy in your front arm and keep it high too. You will know where you have to stop.

    You will most likely feel more sensation and resistance on your inner part of your upper leg and your hip and through your quadriceps as you engage differently. You are trying to correct an imbalance. There is a particular sensation in your hips which you can key into as you set up. Try to preserve that. Be happy to be standing up tall and arm up high and literally be almost standing straight up with that kick beautifully activating your body from your up-stretched arm through your torso, through your hip and down your kicking leg.

    If you really are still falling out all the time then, out of the studio, you can practice your pose facing a wall. You push your front arm against the wall which provides resistance and balance against which to activate your body while creating and preserving best bilateral hip position. Remember for you it is not at all about depth.

    Let me know how you go, please

    Namaste
    Gabrielle 🙂

    thedancingj
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    Nynn!

    Haven’t been on this board in ages, but I still get these little alerts on threads that I’ve written on, so this thread popped up in my inbox and I couldn’t stay away… 🙂

    I have the same background. I came to Bikram after 15 years of ballet. I’ve been doing Bikram 5-7 times a week for the last 3 years now and couldn’t be happier with it.

    Balancing “turned in” will be tough at first. In ballet, you’ve learned to balance by engaging your inner thighs. Here, you have to balance engaging the TOP of your thighs, the quads. So the mechanics of balancing are totally different. You just have to learn this new technique. Eventually it will feel completely natural. (It is a much more natural position than standing 180 degrees turned out!)

    Best advice I can give you for balance in standing bow is to work on your balance in standing head to knee. Best advice for balance in standing head to knee is to work on eagle pose. See where I’m going? The postures are all cumulative. So don’t let yourself cheat. Set yourself up for success. Starting from the VERY FIRST breathing exercise, make sure you are standing with your feet pointed STRAIGHT ahead, rooting your feet into the ground, and engaging the quads. (Yes, this feels really weird because it’s the opposite of how you’ve been trained. Do it anyway!!) You can work on this alignment in every single posture. Standing head to knee is the hardest and the best: you are standing on one leg, concentrating on NOTHING but that standing leg. (That’s obviously the bit that you need to work on, since you said that you fall out before you even start kicking.) By the time you get around to standing bow, you’ve already practiced standing that way for 30+ minutes, so that should help.

    Remember that it took you 13+ years to master balance on a turned out leg, so you won’t reverse that overnight. But you CAN reverse it in less than 13 years. Be patient!! You’ll get your do-over. It just takes a little time.

    From one ex-dancer to another… enjoy!

    Juliana 🙂

    Nynn
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    You guys are the best – thank you, thank you, thank you! 🙂

    Lizza66
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    Today I had my best balance in standing bows ever, and I felt joyous. I was trying to figure out why on the way home, because my balance was worse than usual in standing head to knee. I realized that, normally in standing bow I am thinking so much about balancing and making sure my big toe is in contact with the floor. Today I was just thinking about flexibility and really trying to lift my chin, and I forgot to think about balance, and somehow it just happened! Not sure if it would help anyone else, but yeah, letting go mentally of thoughts of balance, and completely focus on some other technical aspect?

    bonmar
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    Gab: A quick question on Standing Bow if you please:

    On the first side, right leg up, standing on the left leg, when I’m almost, almost, almost into the posture, I can now see my right foot peeking over the top of my head, I *almost* find a comfy spot to stay in and, boom, I fall off to the right. Happens every time.

    And why in the WORLD does Standing Bow feel like it’s five minutes long on each side?!!

    Left leg up, standing on my right leg, I can get my left leg much higher, much more easily, but now I feel like I’m sinking backwards and can’t stretch forward as strongly as I can on the right. I don’t fall off to the left when the left leg’s up, but I don’t feel as strong.

    I know it’s so hard when you can’t see people do these poses and are trying to offer advice. I’ll just say I have an arthriticky (is that a word?) SI joint on the right, and the left hip is looser than the right.

    Gabrielle (The Hot Yoga Doctor)
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    Hi Bonnie

    Yes in this case it would really help to see you, or ask you a whole lot more questions. 😉

    I wondered when reading your words whether you might need to slow your entry more and not think of the pose as having an endpoint. As you kick your leg backward and upward just go incrementally and slowly and as often as you can, bring your awareness to keep the hips in alignment. On the first side, you drop the right hip back down so that you avoid turning it outward.

    “Comfy” spot! That’s interesting. Is it that you are looking for comfort or a place that your body is used to getting to? Maybe you just have to be content that each time you go in, and from side to side and day to day, that spot could be a different one.

    To keep the awareness off the perception of time passing slowly, try slowing your breath down and following your breath as you keep your awareness on the right things (arm reaching up, back arm relaxing, hip dropping into alignment and so on). It really works for me (the slower I breathe, the calmer my nervous system, the less I am concerned with what’s going on – ie equanimous – and the faster the time goes, and of course, no struggle).

    It really is very common to have one side go higher than the other, even one side in better alignment than the other. Just slow it down and keep the pose active and precise and stop at the ‘edge’ of your ability on that day.

    Does that work for you? Come back and let me know if I need to go in a different direction.

    Namaste
    Gabrielle 🙂

    bonmar
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    Hi, Gab, thanks for your answer.

    I couldn’t slow my entry any more or I might miss the pose altogether! I always go slowly, always have in mind your comments in your Master Class book regarding procrastination. I sometimes think I move too slowly into it and that’s why I fall out, but really I think it’s from not kicking back hard enough.

    And my breathing is always calm, but I will make a point of checking tonight to see if my breathing’s gone funny in this pose.

    By “comfy” spot I meant that spot where I reach the balance between pulling and stretching, which is usually a micro second before I fall out. Could it be this has become a habit?! How can it possibly be that in all these years I can’t hold Standing Bow for the full 5 minutes of the pose?!! (I realize I said 5 minutes, it wasn’t a typo.)

    I’ll let you know how it goes in tonight’s class, doing it more slowly and more calmly.

    Thanks!

    Gabrielle (The Hot Yoga Doctor)
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    Hi Bonnie

    I think I see now. The way you move into the pose should reflect balance at every moment. So only use your energy to move your leg back and up at the same time as the arm stays up high. It is possible that you are consciously bringing your body down as you kick. See if that has crept into your practice. You should be able to stop anywhere along your ‘travel’ and feel the balance and not just find it at the end.

    Did that make sense to you?

    Namaste
    Gabrielle 🙂

    Roseshands
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    Thanks, Gabrielle…Just returning to Bikram (at home) Read your comments on standing bow, and believe I just “got it” for the first time…no loss of balance, great backbend, etc.!!

    Gabrielle (The Hot Yoga Doctor)
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    Woo hoo Rose!!! That’s terrific news. Thanks for sharing it with us.

    Namaste
    Gabrielle 🙂

    jtcb
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    I have a question regarding the kicking motion of the posture. I find that I have no problem kicking my right leg up on the center of my head while maintaining balance. I think I do it “perfectly”. I can see my toes on my head. The left leg is a different story. For whatever reason I can’t kick it up to the center. It is not even above my head and is always tilted to the right and lose my balance. My toes are spreaded. It just looks awkward and ugly on the left leg. Why is that?

    Gabrielle (The Hot Yoga Doctor)
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    Hi Jeff

    It is simply that your body is not perfectly symmetrical in ability, flexibility, strength and orientation. It is possible that a tightness in one of your hips (or indeed a slight rotation of your pelvis on one side relative to the other) means that on one side the orientation favors (moves to its favorite position) a better (or should I say, deeper) bow.

    Can you tell me what you mean when you say your toes are spread? Are you talking about the foot on the ground?

    Namaste
    Gabrielle 🙂

    jtcb
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    Hi Gabrielle,

    No, the foot in the air. When I kick my left leg up, my pinky toe spread out. I notice it on the front mirror. It is just plain awkward and ugly for the left bow. The right leg kicks out nicely with no toe spread.

    Gabrielle (The Hot Yoga Doctor)
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    Hi Jeff

    Please tell me where you hold your left leg. Around the ankle or around the foot? If it’s around the foot, where exactly?

    Namaste
    Gabrielle 🙂

    fraseram
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    look at your hips in both and see if one side is parallel to the ground and the other is rotated….. I think you may find the diff there. I’m thinking you toe is spread because you are trying so hard to be able to see it and compensating 😉 try pointing your foot rather than forcing your toes and concentrate on making the lower half look the same then the top will follow.

    itsbrendawalsh
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    I’m 3 weeks into my Bikram Yoga practice, and my alignment is definitely not what it should be. During standing bow, I found that when my right leg is up, it cocks out to the side…definitely not where it should be. For some reason, this doesn’t happen on the other side. Yesterday, my instructor helped me adjust. She told me to start out with just a very slight turn as in spine twisting pose away from the standing leg. That helped. It got the shoulder of the arm holding my leg rounded more back and my lifted leg was actually vertical instead of at a 45 degree angle. So…I start slightly twisted, then I think I kind of naturally come back facing more forward as I go down.
    Is this right? Honestly, I got adjusted so many times yesterday that I’m not sure I remember everything correctly.

    I also find my standing knee just naturally bending a tiny bit during this pose. It actually seems to make it easier to balance. When I push it back, I wobble and fall out of the pose.

    jtcb
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    Hi Jeff

    Please tell me where you hold your left leg. Around the ankle or around the foot? If it’s around the foot, where exactly?

    Namaste
    Gabrielle 🙂

    Hi Gabrielle,

    I hold it very close to the left ankle, just like the right side. I wonder if I should hold very close to the toe instead..

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