Bikram Yoga for people with transplantations?

Bikram Yoga for people with transplantations?2008-11-27T12:18:36+00:00
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  • Katja
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    Dear Gabrielle,

    hi, I am a Bikram teacher, too. So first I wanna thank you for that great website! You help us so much to do a better job with our students!!! Today I have a questions, too. I hope that is the right place here to ask.

    Well, one of my students wants to know if people with transplantations are able to do Bikram Yoga or if it is too much for their immun system? Do you have any experience with that? Or maybe here is somebody in the forum who has a transplanted organ and is doing the yoga?

    I am looking forward for every answer. Thanks a lot!

    Greetings from Germany,
    Katja

    fraseram
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    I would think it would have to do w/ what was transplanted and how well the person is functioning now.

    Gabrielle (The Hot Yoga Doctor)
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    Hello Katja

    Thank you – I am touched and grateful for your comments.

    This is a question I am reticent to answer definitively. I have been thinking about the issue carefully. Someone who gets an organ transplant has to take anti-rejection drugs to stop the body rejecting or attacking the new organ. In rare cases such as in transplants where the donors are identical twins, anti-rejection drugs are rarely needed.

    The problem is if the lymphatic system is overstimulated the body can reject a transplant. Having said that I know that this yoga helps bring the body into balance. We know that deep breathing and organ massage and many of the movements actually make the whole body work more efficiently. According to the rejection theory this could mean that you may want to avoid the stimulation that comes from the yoga. Who knows if working your immune system into good balance is the same as over-stimulation.

    I am going to look for any anecdotal evidence that says that someone has benefited from the yoga AFTER they have had a transplant. It is logical that you would GAIN benefit BEFORE the transplant procedure immunologically, and after the transplant in terms of feelings of wellbeing.

    This is such a complex situation because even this person’s personal convictions about how well they are or how the yoga can help them may effect their healing. The mind is magical and often defies science.

    So even if your student went against what they were advised but BELIEVED congruently that they were healing themselves, then who knows what might happen?

    The issue for me is also one about life balance. One has to enjoy their life and feel active and vital. Some amount of activity or exercise has to be had. The benefits of FEELING good cannot be overemphasized when it comes to healing. Any exercise is going to stimulate your lymphatic system to some degree. The subjective effects are going to have to be monitored by the person themselves, and the satisfaction that they gain with their yoga will have to come into the equation. They may decide to do some Bikram yoga and decide that they either feel fantastic or that it is too much for them.

    I know you are looking for answers. To be honest, this is such a gray area your student needs to do the research and come up with their own intuitive response, then follow it through. The answer they may come up with is TESTING different styles of yoga for a number of weeks of fairly regular practice to see their body’s and mind’s responses.

    ALRIGHT: I have just now done some research. I would like to direct your yogi to a website that has a forum where transplant recipients are talking about yoga. They are having a conversation about less vigorous forms of yoga, and they seem to enjoy it as you would expect. One of the primary issues seems to counter the effects of osteoporosis with weight bearing exercises. Here is that link: Transplant buddies forum or the search page: Transplant buddies forum search. Good luck.

    Namaste
    Gabrielle 🙂

    perpetualharmony
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    Here are my thoughts on this issue as a kidney transplant recipient.

    There is no reason for a transplant patient NOT to do yoga or any form of exercise unless that patient is anemic, infectious, or not feeling well. Even dialysis patients exercise with little kidney function.

    In terms of immunosuppresives and the patient…. the main problem is exposure to other yoga students who carry the cold virus. However, healthy transplant patients who take immunosuppresives do regularly expose themselves to the public and don’t necessarily have a higher rate of colds. Transplant patients may have colds of longer duration.

    Regarding immunosupressives, ie. coritsone, cyclosporin, Cellcept etc.. Most transplants patients must take these drugs. I had a six antigen match and did NOT take these drugs. Most do, but don’t assume that all do.

    If any patient is capable of exercise, it is always best that they do so. Transplant patients, if well, won’t fall in to a million little pieces strictly because they have had a serious illness and are attempting to exercise. Generally the patient him/herself has an intuitive feeling for his/her ability to exercise. If they can, they should.

    Incidentally, YOU won’t get sick with some dreadful illness by practicing yoga with a patient who has had a transplant. (Unless they come to class with a cold or the flu). They can’t make you lose your liver or your kidneys, so you can stand very close to them as you speak. Unless of course you don’t want to catch their cold.

    The answer is as simple as this.

    perpetualharmony
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    One last point.

    Exercise will not cause one to reject a transplanted organ. Rejection is related to more complex phenomenon than exercise. It’s related to the kind and amount of drugs the patient takes, the immune system and its antigens and antibodies, genetics, and a whole host of other psychological mechanisms.

    As a suggestion, you should always encourage and recommend exercise to any individual if they appear to have the capability. I understand that the word “transplantation” sounds somewhat intimidating, but I assure you healthy transplant patients can and do exercise without rejecting.

    Of course, as always, your job as a yoga teacher is to monitor your students.

    dawna

    Gabrielle (The Hot Yoga Doctor)
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    Hi Dawna

    I am so happy that you provided such a great and measured response from personal experience. You clearly have a lot of knowledge of the process. It certainly gives the logical commonsense answer that I was wanting.

    Thank you :cheese:

    Namaste
    Gabrielle 🙂

    Katja
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    Dear Gabrielle, dear Dawna,

    thanks a lot for your help! It’s important to me to know more about these facts.

    @Gabrielle: We should trust our students, shouldn’t we? 🙂 I mean, sometimes they don’t know what the do but mostly they have a good feeling for their bodies… they just have to learn how to listen to it.

    @Dawna: Your post sounds a little bit bugged to me. I don’t know if it is because I am not a native speaker and maybe I don’t understand you in the right way. OF COURSE “YOU won’t get sick with some dreadful illness by practicing yoga with a patient who has had a transplant”. I know that and hopefully all other people know that too. But I asked my questions for somebody who is interested in doing yoga and isn’t sure about his OWN body. So what should I answer him: “You won’t fall in to a million little pieces – so just do it!” I am sure that’s not the answer he wants to hear. Well, I can understand that some questions we yoga teachers ask sound very stupid. But please remember: we are normal people too and we cannot know everything about every single body in our classes. I really would like to but that’s impossible. So I try to give my best and if it is to ask stupid questions – I just do it! Now I know more than before and that’s important. Anyways, Dawna, I am really thankful for your honest and maybe a little angry answer. Even that shows me how important it is to see the whole person and not only somebody who is coming to a yoga class.

    I wish you a happy year 2009 with lots of yoga, love and understanding. And please be patient with us teachers, we are patient with you too. 😉

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