cannot reach my feet

cannot reach my feet2008-03-06T17:21:14+00:00
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    Posted by Ela

    Hello,

    I am a beginner (2 weeks), 55 years old and 40-50 lb overweight…but I am determined to make it. I plan to attend classes everyday at least 2-3 months.
    As I’ve predicted I had a lot of problems with several poses. I meant with all of them but I know I have to be patient and kept my paste.
    The biggest problem which cost me frustrations are poses when I need to reach my feet and I am not able to do that.
    This is one of those poses. I can only touch my feet. How to progress?
    I will posted my problems with other poses.
    Thank you for your help,

    Ela

    Gabrielle (The Hot Yoga Doctor)
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    Hello Ela

    It seems to me that bending over is difficult due to your flexibility issue and maybe because you carry a little extra weight.

    Here’s a way to get some great progress in this pose. It will help you open up your hips and at the same time help you get some great practice and stamina for locking out your standing leg.

    After a while the progress you make here and in other poses will help you bend over and reach your foot more easily.

    First side:
    Lock your left leg and bend up your right leg.

    Interlock your fingers and place them just at your knee.

    Let your arms straighten.

    Let your knee ‘fall’ against your hands’ grip.

    Keep your back straight, chin parallel to the floor.

    DO NOT flex your foot, just keep your foot relaxed.

    Only hold your knee up with the grip. Gravity pulls your knee down against your arms. And your arms are NOT LOCKED, they are simply stretching due to the weight of your leg. Your back resists rounding and you stand up straight. In fact it is a kind of balancing act as you lean ever so slightly backward to balance the forward moving weight of your leg.

    Keep checking into your locked left leg. A hint here is not to look any lower than the knee of your locked leg in the mirror (or you will start to lose your balance in any pose). In time you will meet yourself in the mirror.

    Ela, you are doing many classes per week. It may not take long before you can safely bend over and reach your own foot! But try this first as you build strength and gain some much needed flexibility. And if you are like me, you may lose a lot of shape in your first few weeks of practice.

    Namaste
    Gabrielle 🙂

    If you don’t understand the detail just ask!

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    Posted by Ela

    Gabrielle,

    I will try today…need to read a few times.
    Hopefully you would be helpful with others poses as well.

    Have a great weekend,

    Ela 🙂

    Gabrielle (The Hot Yoga Doctor)
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    Hi Ela

    Have you managed to try the technique yet? If you haven’t and you don’t understand my instructions, let me know. I may be able to dig out a photo for you.

    Kind regards
    Gabrielle 🙂

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    Posted by Ela

    Gabrielle,

    I’ve tried and have one question:
    “Interlock your fingers and place them just at your knee.” – not below knee? Why?

    thanks,

    ela

    Gabrielle (The Hot Yoga Doctor)
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    OK! Just below the knee, above the shin. Silly me!!!

    😆
    Gabrielle

    Mammaren
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    again, my teachers discourage this.. They do not want me to hold my knee at all. They tell me to round my spine, suck my stomach in, and aim my hands down towards my foot. But I have a hard time with this b/c it tends to feel like a strain on my back.. I typically raise my foot, lock my knee and stay up straight..

    Gabrielle (The Hot Yoga Doctor)
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    Hello Mammaren

    You obviously are greatly in tune with your body. This is great. Once again, do what seems right. There are always varying standards of knowledge and teaching. Going into a pose and feeling strain (no matter how insistent your teacher is that you should follow their direction) is NOT ON. Please don’t put yourself at risk.

    I wouldn’t mind knowing what it is they are expecting you to do with your hands when you round over. AND are you saying that you bend up your leg and just stand straight without doing anything with your arms or hands? These questions answered would certainly help us both understand each other better.

    When you can’t hold your foot, then the knee is a real option. The traction work creating space in your spine and opening your central nervous system, the strength in your fingers, the ability to focus wholly on locking out your standing leg while also opening your hip are just some of the good reasons to do it.

    Ciao for now

    Namaste
    Gabrielle 🙂

    Mammaren
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    I’ll try to clarify 😉

    This is the instruction almost verbatim from the teacher.. If you cannot reach your foot, round forward and reach FOR your foot. Suck you stomach in, round down and reach for your foot. One day you will reach your foot. Do not hold the knee or the shin as this puts undue strain on the lower back.

    This is what I do. I lock my standing leg, raise my kicking leg up about halfway and stand upright keeping my knee locked and my stomach tight. My hands are down resting at my side.

    Does that help??

    Thanks again so much..

    Gabrielle (The Hot Yoga Doctor)
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    Hello K

    May I seek some clarification with a question?
    When you bend your leg up, it appears that you are saying that your thigh is lower than parallel to the floor, is that correct? You are simply standing there with a leg bent up to some degree, body straight and arms relaxed.

    Best to get clear

    Looking forward to your response

    Namaste
    Gabrielle 🙂

    Mammaren
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    I would say my thigh is nearly parallel. But the rest of it is correct..

    Gabrielle (The Hot Yoga Doctor)
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    Hello K

    It seems as though your teachers and I have a different approach. It boils down to doing what you feel is right. I can only tell you what has worked for me over the years.

    One great advantage of grabbing under the knee for those who can’t grab the foot is that there is a real opportunity to create some ease in this strength-building part of the pose. There is a solid balance created and you can find great focus in locking the knee for the whole minute. Furthermore it relaxes and releases the muscles around the pelvis and hips while creating traction and space in the spine.

    If you are not comfortable doing this in class, try it after class or even at home. And make sure you have no issues with Head to Knee (the floor version) because this is an excellent way to encourage you to learn how it should feel in the standing version! Let me know!

    Namaste
    Gabrielle 🙂

    Mammaren
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    WOW this was ages ago. LOL

    Well, due to some weight loss and a lot of hard work on my part, I can now grab both of my feet. My fingers aren’t interlaced yet, but I’m getting there. The funny thing was that I actually worked on this posture sitting on the couch. Grabbing, interlacing, stretching the leg out. This pulled my shoulders out a lot. Also, losing a great deal of my gut helped.

    Thanks for your insight.

    Gabrielle (The Hot Yoga Doctor)
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    Hey K

    Great to hear of your progress. While the poses are incidental in your yoga journey they are still a great way of gauging movement along the path; we get to observe the manner in which we break through all kinds of limitations.

    Celebrating with you

    Namaste
    Gabrielle 🙂

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    I’m in the same boat, I can’t interlock my fingers because my chest and belly are taking up too much space. I started by just standing up straight, lifting my knee and working on locking my knee and strentghening my balance. I’ve graduated to grabbing my feet with my fingers with my knee squished into my chest however I can get it to fit. I concentrate on the idea that my legs, butt and back are gaining a lot of strength (along with my hands) and someday when I lose some inches and finally interlock my fingers I’ll be more than ready to kick out.

    I’ve seen someone else in class hold their food with their knee on the outside of their arm rather than tucked in. I asked an instructor and she recommended not doing this.

    rubee
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    Thank you this was helpful and I had the same response in class from the teachers. The thing is I am very tall and long and have no problem raising my leg and interlocking around my foot but my hamstrings will not let me anywhere near a kick out straight and when I just hold it bent or kick out as much as I can the fulcrum seems to be right in my lower back where the injury was and hurts. Sometimes it doesn’t hurt until later tho and i have caught the energy in class and pushed past what I think might be true for me now. I feel good about holding the knee and focusing on locking my knee as the left leg arch fell from the accident and needs rehab and balance work. Will the teacher feel usurped if I won’t do what they say? Esp if they believe I am hurting myself. What would a good reply be? Maybe I should tell them before class I need to modify some poses ….

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    I know it’s an old thread, but I thought I’d bump it with my recent experience on this topic.

    In the past 3 months, I’ve missed going to yoga maybe 2 weeks total due to travel/illness.

    When I started, there was no way I could reach my foot like the crazy lady on the podium kept telling me to! I started with holding my leg @ the shin.

    3 months later, I can now get my fingers under my feet and hold my foot up for a bit. My fingers aren’t even close to being interlocked, yet… but they’re under there!

    One thing that helped me tremendously was that one of the instructors noticed that I was getting close to getting my fingers under my foot, but was having balance problems when reaching for the foot. He suggested that I move to the back of the room for this pose and lean against the ballet barre until I figured out the balance. I did that for a couple of weeks until I could pick up my foot without falling over every time.

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    Hi Torqued

    Caught your other message!!! :cheese:

    You are so right. If the wall will help you out short term so that you can practice balance without the risk of falling then I am all for it. It is very reassuring to know that you won’t hurt yourself. It doesn’t take long at all to cement the new activity and make it a good habit. Then you can move away from the wall and shift your focus to deepening other aspects of the pose!

    Congrats and thanks for sharing that with us.

    Namaste
    Gabrielle 🙂

    eva k
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    I am also having trouble with this posture. Years ago, I could do it just fine, so I know it can be done. I am carrying 60 lbs of extra weight on my front side (look preg-o with twins!)–something I did not have in my first years of doing the yoga. I also have a herniated disk in my low back, which makes forward bends of any kind very scary. Another reason I may be having issues with this posture is that a few months ago, I badly sprained my left ankle while hiking and spent 5 weeks in a plaster. The yoga has helped immensely with healing the ankle, but I am still a bit dodgy when it comes to balancing. It takes a lot of focus to make sure I am standing with weight distributed equally rather than on the outside of the foot.
    When it comes to standing head to knee—most days I cannot pick up the foot at all.
    I remember when I first started the yoga, the teachers used to give a mod in this pose to just start with holding the knee while building the “locked” standing leg. There was not a big push to get a curve in the spine, so I remember seeing people standing with their leg bent at an upside down L and their spine straight. Apparently the new dialog has abandoned this mod, and now everyone is supposed to get a round spine?
    So, this is where I am stuck. Even if I could pick up the foot, I am still a ways from maintaining a standing locked leg, partially because the quads are not that strong yet, but also because I cannot keep my abs tight for the entire posture, so I always come out early because I am afraid of hurting my back if my abs go slack.

    Gabrielle (The Hot Yoga Doctor)
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    Hi Eva

    It seems your problem is less what you are doing or at least what you know you should be doing (that has worked before) and more what you’re feeling compelled to do.

    It seems you have a conundrum and that is to either do what’s good for your body, or do what a piece of paper tells you to do.

    As you may have done in the past, stand with your interlaced fingers just below your knee, arms straight and relaxedly long, shoulders down and allow gravity to pull the leg down. Relax that lifted foot (no flexing). Keep the back up, chest lifted. This will create traction in your spine and arms.

    Yes, engage your core where possible. No, don’t round over. The next stage would be to try to hold your leg in that right angle with your foot flexed. You could stand with your hands on your hips or by your side.

    I assure you that it is harder to stand there without hands around the foot than not. So don’t be surprised if it takes a while to manage a whole 1 minute. HOWEVER the great news about this position is it builds core strength like crazy and for you is definitely worth some dedicated time.

    And yes, keep working on that standing leg and of course your core strength. Have you received any help to find out if what you’re doing is actually creating core strength. Some people simply cannot activate their core (despite sucking in their stomach). It could be worth finding out from a professional.

    If yoga is about listening to your body’s voice then I believe you are not stuck. It is more likely that you are being coerced to actually IGNORE your needs and the cries of your body. That is not yoga. It is likely that you have to word another request (*as suggested in the response to your other question).

    Namaste
    Gabrielle 🙂

    eva k
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    Thanks so much Gabrielle! I do think that even when I was thin and doing the yoga regularly without any trouble, and thought I was “fit”, I actually had a weak core and this may have contributed to my injury. I am going to look into this advice also.
    And implement your mods! Thanks again!

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