Confused about dairy :-S

Confused about dairy :-S2010-06-30T23:25:41+00:00
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  • faizah
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    Hi everyone,

    I have a question about dairy. Since I started doing hot yoga about a year ago, I find that I crave meat a lot less…but dairy a LOT more!! After class, sometimes all I want for dinner is a big tub of yogurt or ice cream, and some bread or crackers (sounds weird, I know :-S). I always feel super in tuned with my body after yoga, so I assumed this dairy craving was healthy and was what my body needed. But a few months ago, I started getting really bad acne on the lower half of my face, around my jawline and up onto my cheeks. I did some research and found out that this kind of acne is called “hormonal acne” and that the hormones in milk (naturally present in lactating cows, on top of the growth hormones they are given) can cause it. I read about people who had quit dairy altogether and noticed dramatic improvements in their skin.

    So now I’m really confused :-S. I thought that as long as I maintained a regular yoga practice, I could trust my body to tell me what it needed. I’ve been trying to cut out dairy but I’m finding it sooooo hard. Whereas giving up meat was really easy, my body just seems to be screaming for dairy, and no matter how many nuts or seeds I eat or how much soy milk I drink, my body just seems to want dairy.

    Anyone have any thoughts? I’d really love to get some feedback.

    fraseram
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    what about in moderation??? giving into having dairy w/o going hog wild LOL ???

    Gabrielle (The Hot Yoga Doctor)
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    Hi Faizah

    I am not sure if there is a magic pill that will stop you craving dairy and instantly have you craving something else instead.

    Are these cravings only after class? Or do they happen throughout the day? Maybe it has something to do with the foods you eat the rest of the day and the resultant post-class drop in blood sugar levels and strong cravings.

    What I might do is look for something with a similar consistency. Buy or make almond milk or sesame milk, I just recently bought coconut yogurt. Anyway you get the idea. A handful of nuts might fill you up, but if you’re craving the dairy mouth-feel then maybe something more creamy will do it.

    I have no idea if you like juicing but a beautiful nutritious juice satisfies me amazingly. And as a result I feel like super-healthy options after that. Have you tried a smoothie, or an avocado? Yep a creamy avocado sounds great. I’ll just go get one. 😉

    A question you can ask yourself is “Is this the most healthy thing I could be eating right now?”

    There are supplements one can take to help with cravings. You could go and see if your system is balanced before running off to the store. Yes, moderation is important. And one way to rid yourself of a craving is to eat less and less of that thing and replace it with the good stuff. You may be craving sugar and that mouth feel from the fat in dairy. So replace it with non-dairy wholefoods and high quality fats.

    Experiment!!!

    Namaste
    Gabrielle 🙂

    faizah
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    Thank you both kindly for taking the time to reply. I’m so touched that people who don’t really know each other take the time out of their busy schedule to help each other out – so again thank you. Gabrielle, those were some excellent suggestions. It’s funny that you should mention avocado. I had guacamole last night when I was craving ice cream or cheese, and it did the trick! I was full and satisfied and not even thinking about eating anything else. The sesame/almond milk idea sounds great too – I’ve never tried either so I’ll give them a try. And to answer your question, those intense cravings only come after a hot yoga class. Weird :-S. Anyway, I’ll try your wonderful suggestions and let you know how it goes! Namaste.

    Lisafr
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    I also love milk and dairy, although it seems to be not so healthy. For that reason I tried to reduce the amount of dairy and even stopped taking dairy products completely for a while. But it was very difficult for me. I eat mostly vegetarian as well and found out that I feel much better when drinking some milk and eating cheese and yogurt (it is really different from soy milk products, which I also like every now and then). I try to eat cheese that contains less fat: ricotta cheese, Parmesan cheese. Some people feel better when not taking dairy at all, but I really feel better when taking dairy products and try not to exaggerate the amounts. Try to use organic milk products, they shouldn’t contain the additional hormones. By the way, I used to live in Europe where adding growing hormones is prohibited, but still I would have some acne/pimples. It is true that they nearly disappear when I don’t take dairy at all. But as long I am careful and don’t take too much high fat dairy products, I am fine and don’t bother too much about the pimples. I just love dairy products and decided I am won’t give up taking them completely(meat was an easy one for me as well).

    faizah
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    Wow, interesting, Lisafr. It was really neat to read your post because I can relate 100% to what you wrote. I also just feel better when I have dairy (which is why I was so confused about the negative impact it seemed to have on me). Like you, I’ve decided that rather than cut it out completely, I’m going to try to cut back to 1 serving/day (organic only), and complement with other creamy, satisfying foods. Gabrielle mentioned yogurt made from coconut milk, which sounds amaaazing to me. I’m going to try that first chance I get, and let you all know how it works as a substitute…for a dairy lover like myself! Thanks again.

    Anonymous
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    OK, here’s my take on it…I have experienced the exact same issues as you have, and this is what seems to be involved for me.

    I personally believe that while dairy intake may have an impact on your skin, there are other things involved here. The reason I say this is because you have had a history of eating dairy without any skin issues. When you started Hot Yoga, your intake of dairy did increase but your usual exercise habits have changed and these will affect your skin. You have to consider this as a factor. I personally think this is more likely than the theory that cow milk hormones are giving you blemishes.

    Now, I understand that the instructors will often say “Bikrams will flush your skin of toxins and your skin will get better” but I personally have found otherwise, simply because the increased sweating will flush your sweat glands but it also will increase skin cell turnover at your skin surface. You need to remove these skin cells through exfoliation otherwise your skin will “clog up” and you will see an increase in the number of blemishes that you have. The same goes for your sleep habits — if you sleep with a hand or two propped under your chin, this is where you will experience greater outbreaks. If you like to read at night and find your forehead resting in your hand, this is where you will experience greater outbreaks. And don’t forget that during class, although we are sweating, we lie on our stomachs and place our left and right cheeks alternately on our sweaty towels. Usually for most people, this puts their jawline and cheek in contact with a damp sweaty surface that you’ve also had your feet on! And I’ve noticed that those students with a number of blemishes (especially on their back and chest area) actually don’t shower after class for whatever reason…

    For me, I’ve had to really revamp my skin routine because of this…I exfoliate every day with microbeads and use a strong toner, and oil-free moisturizer every day. I don’t use a facecloth or anything to exfoliate: I use the microdermabrasion stuff sold by Dr. Brandt. It took me a good 2 weeks of effort, but my skin looks awesome. And yup, I still enjoy my dairy. If I slack off on my skin routine, I wind up with serious skin congestion. For me, it has waaaay less to do with the dairy than it has to do with keeping my skin clear of excess dead skin cells.

    Just an alternate view and take it for what it is worth, and remember that I’ve assumed a surface acne and not the deep cystic acne — that form of acne is best dealt with through a consult with a dermatologist.

    🙂

    faizah
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    hmmm….interesting! And you know, you might be right. My acne could have nothing to do with the dairy. I guess it’s just an explanation I came up with to try to understand/fix a stubborn problem, and just from reading about where “hormonal acne” tends to be located on the face. It’s really just a self-diagnosis :-S. It’s funny you should bring up microdermabrasion because I was just thinking today about getting something like that.

    So I guess that while I reaaally hope you’re right, and my acne isn’t caused by dairy (which means I can continue to eat it :-), I think I’ll still try to cut back for about a month and see what happens. This way at least I’ll know for sure. And I’ll let you guys know, too, in case it can help anyone else who might be struggling with the same issue. Thanks so much for your input, Freiamaya! Namaste 🙂

    wikiderm
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    For a related read, see http://www.acnemilk.com
    Lots of real science and advice.

    Anonymous
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    Lots of theories, and since my pet peeve is junk science, here goes…personally I don’t take a whole lot of info online at face value, but that’s just me…original study was small as in very small…study recommends intense UV light exposurse (!) as treatment and warns of excessive facial hair growth on women as a result (lets all just have happy days at the beach, shall we, no mention of skin cancer at all)…study dates from 1965 (!!)…site refers to you a site that “although not accepted nor medically orthodox…” (!!!)…faulty logic here, in that an individual’s resume equates to legitimate theory proposal which is absolutely not the case and just look at where one of the physicians got his medical training need I say more other than I certainly prefer my medical advice from those qualified and practicing in my country of residence…absolutely no new information here except for non-peer reviewed non-moderated public speech that has no science behind it just offers information on the diet…site recommends no dairy LOW CARB diet instead of balanced food intake…I could go on but I won’t bore you.

    Everyone has a theory and an agenda. Take what you find online with a huge grain of salt. For every “study” out there I can find one equally valid to counter it. But we all have the right to believe what we want to believe, I suppose.

    🙂

    faizah
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    Well, after experimenting with diet changes (including cutting out dairy), I’ve come to the conclusion that dairy isn’t what was causing my breakouts. I think it actually has to do with Bikram yoga, which is upsetting because I love it, and it does wonders for keeping me in great shape physically, but it seems to make me break out like crazy. I have an appointment with a dermatologist in a few weeks, and will let you all know what he/she says

    Gabrielle (The Hot Yoga Doctor)
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    Hi Faizah

    I have forgotten if you mentioned it, but can you tell me if you practise in a public studio or at home?

    Namaste
    Gabrielle 🙂

    faizah
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    Hi Gabrielle,

    So sorry…I didn’t see your message until now. I practice in a hot yoga studio.

    Namaste.

    Anna L
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    When I first started Bikram yoga I had some breakouts right in the beginning, the first few months. I am not sure if this is the reason, but I believe it might have to do with some kind of detoxing process in the beginning, or maybe it is the skin that has to get used to sweating that much? …I kept on going and now my skin is better than ever!

    faizah
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    I just wanted to post an update, and say that I don’t believe my acne was in any way related to dairy after all. I’ve gone on the birth control pill (Diane 35) and that took care of the problem within a month or so (I still have scars but stopped getting new breakouts). I consume dairy now whenever I feel like it, and never break out anymore.

    I have a feeling that the intense exercise, followed by no exercise at all (I went from not being very active, to going about 5 times a week, and then not going at all) may have somehow thrown off my hormone levels. I say that because the breakouts started shortly after I stopped going to yoga.

    Anyway, I’ve started going to yoga again, and am still taking the pill, and no longer breaking out at all.

    Hope this can help someone.

    NatKat
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    Just some things which may help (I too have my struggles with appropriate diet and practice)
    #1 There is no “rule” for all body types. Dairy products are healthy for some and contra-indicated for others. You may wish to research your Ayurvedic body type as a starting point.
    #2 Not all “dairy” is equal. Corporate dairy is full of toxins and the factory farm animals are unhealthy. When I eat yogurt, I purchase quality organic milk and make my own. It is easy, economical and healthy. Use raw or pasteurized milk as “ultra pasteurized” is useless. I make yogurt in crockpot – no need for fancy equipment and only 1 dish to wash.
    Good instructions on internet.
    #3 Hot Yoga will detox the body and it’s given me some bizarre cravings. When I smoked cigartettes, I actually smoked MORE when I started doing Bikram b/c my body was detoxing the nicoteine faster!!! I now don’t smoke and am on dairy-free diet for health reasons. Normally I don’t crave dairy at all … but after my first Bikram class in several years … I had mad craving for pizza and lusted after melty mozzarella. Go figure. I just sat with it and promised myself pizza as soon as my health problem is cured. *sigh*.
    Good luck!

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