Could hot yoga aggravate neck injury?

Could hot yoga aggravate neck injury?2012-02-10T11:18:28+00:00
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  • gijsbertvdl
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    Dear Gabriele and other readers,

    I have a problem with my neck and I feel that it gets worse by Bikram Yoga. Could it be that I do certain poses wrongly?
    An x-ray revealed that I have mild arthritis and cartilage loss in my neck. Since a night flight of about 8 hours in early January, the little finger of my right hand is sleeping, and I can not put force with the fingers of my right hand. I wake up at night with pain in my shoulder blades and upper arms, and I have difficulties turning my head to the left and right.
    I was hoping the yoga would solve this, but it seems to be getting worse. I wondered at what positions I need to be extra vigilant. Intuitively, I think to half moon pose and balancing stick. I feel that with the straight arms against my ears, I am locking up and restraining my neck. Anyone recognizes this? Any suggestions? Thanks in advance!

    Gijs from Utrecht, the Netherlands

    branch_out
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    hi there, I am thinking that a few postures in bikram yoga would be aggrivating your neck pain. The breathing exercise in the beginning of class could very well be the initial culprit. When you exhale you drop your head back (looking for the wall behind you)……I would suggest keeping your head parrallel to the floor and not tilting your head back. Also when it comes to camel pose, I would also not drop the head back. Any postures that places aggrivated stress on the cervical spine is going to flare up any underlying issues in my experience. so maybe being aware of your neck movements during class, and try not to go through extremes, meaning dropping the head to far back, or dropping the head too far forward, trying to have a neutral cervical spine in moderation.

    I realize in cobra pose, and in boat pose…etc…you are cued to look for the wall behind you…..try not to do this…..try to keep your gaze forward. AND IF YOU have to explain this to the instrucotor, do so.

    hope all is well
    peace
    blue

    gijsbertvdl
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    Thank you for your thoughts. So the saying: ‘backbends are the healer of the spine’ is not applicable here? I always thought this was a Truth…

    Lisafr
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    I always had neck problems and also used to have neck problems when I started doing yoga. This was due to a neck condition and the fact I did most of the poses wrong (shrugging shoulders, using neck muscles). The only pose I still adapt after 2.5 years of practicing yoga is cobra pose. I keep my neck and head at the same level as my back (in proper Dutch: ‘in het verlengde van je rug’) and don’t try to look up. With all the other poses I also started like that. For example, initially,I kept my hands near my ears when doing the backbend after half moon. But once my alignment and use of the right muscles got better, I managed to release my neck muscles or at least use them in a better way.
    You mention balancing stick, I remember that one very well: my solution was keeping the arms next to the head, but I make sure I bring my shoulders down and back, as far away from the ears as possible. With pranayama breathing I also have to think consciously about keeping my shoulders away from my ears. With many other poses as well. There is a video on this website about ‘putting your elbows in your back pocket’ Applying that technique in some of the yoga poses (and in daily life) helped me very much. However, I don’t know whether this will work for you. I should mention that I have a different neck condition, called torticollis, which means my neck is twisted a bit to one side. All in all the yoga has helped me, but I don’t think yoga can cure everything and there are certain poses that are not good for everybody or maybe I should say: for every body! There must be some people here who can tell more about your condition in combination with yoga.

    branch_out
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    i think back bends (along with any yoga pose) needs to be done in accoradance to your body and how it makes you feel. yoga is about internal connection so allowing yourself to feel a certain degree of pain as you go into a posture may ok, but when you start to feel a painful discomfort knowing when to stop is important. so indeed back bends with provide youth to your spine and keep it supple and energized, but going to deep into a backbend that provides pain and discomfort is certainly not providing the benefits yoga is meant to provide. so approach yoga practice and personalize it, you do not have to do exactly what the instructor tells you to do. yoga is about finding your inner confidence and doing postures that make u feel good and energized, so that when you leave class you feel healthy and strong/energized ….. not pain ridden and full of discomfort afterwards. so approach each posture with moderation and take care of your spine.

    namaste.
    blue

    Thank you for your thoughts. So the saying: ‘backbends are the healer of the spine’ is not applicable here? I always thought this was a Truth…

    gijsbertvdl
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    I was kind of shocked by the idea to have to skip neck backbends, because there are so many of them in the postures, and I was afraid it will be difficult to have to change so many poses. Besides halfmoon backwards and camel are among my favorites!
    So I decided to spend some classes on neck awareness and self observation. What I found out, is that problems arise, where I shorten my neck with my neck and shoulder muscles. My most ‘dangerous’ postures are half moon, awkward, balancing stick, triangle, wind removing, the sit-up, cobra, locust… I re-read the HotYogaMasterClass on neck problems, and I thought: ‘engaging muscles in the head, neck and shoulders’ is not what I do in back bends (in fact I love to drop my head backwards), but IS what I do in postures where my head is in line with my body. So what I try now, is ‘think length’ in these postures, concentrating on relaxing head, neck and shoulder muscles before and while engaging muscles elsewhere in the body that make me shorten my neck. Turning my head in Sawasana-on-the-belly and in spine twisting pose still is not easy and painless, but it’s getting better now!

    Gabrielle (The Hot Yoga Doctor)
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    Hi Gijsbert

    I was going to get to your questions tomorrow or the next day! I will go through all the details I promise. You’re first on my list.

    I am extremely pleased that you have realised something crucial to your practice about the involvement of neck and shoulders.

    Thanks so much for posting. I am very happy my manual has helped you! Until soon 😉

    Namaste
    Gabrielle 🙂

    gijsbertvdl
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    Looking forward eagerly 🙄

    Namaste, Gijsbert

    Gabrielle (The Hot Yoga Doctor)
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    Hi Gijsbert

    So now it’s time for me to chime in! I was pleased to see the evolution of understanding. You had the right inkling right from the beginning. Thanks to Blue and Lisa for leaving their thoughts.

    Gijsbert, you said

    I feel that with the straight arms against my ears, I am locking up and restraining my neck. Anyone recognizes this? Any suggestions? Thanks in advance!

    You said straight away that you recognised that straight arms against your ears was a culprit. This is a MAJOR source of discussion all over this forum. Let me know if you would like to be directed to some posts about that (in case you cannot find them yourself).

    In my experience this is one of THE major places where one’s practice can cause the MOST problems – especially if one follows scripted dialog. Telling everyone indiscriminately to straighten arms, squeeze arms to the head and other one-size-fits-all instructions can actually create pain and suffering.

    But that pain is masked by the fact that soon after being in the pose that causes it, you get to rest … and boy, that feels good. So you just think it’s YOU and few people realise it has anything to do with the poor wording of the instruction.

    Thankfully the fix is easier than one imagines! 😉

    Blue mentioned:

    The breathing exercise in the beginning of class could very well be the initial culprit.

    Blue has the right idea about being vigilant to your issues. I am not sure however if Pranayama would be the culprit. I believe Pranayama can fix your neck IF you know how to use it as therapy. Most instruction (or rather the ability to understand the true mechanism, plus the ability to see where technique may need tweaking on the finer levels) does not allow that to happen. Again it’s a one-size-fits-all thing. Modifications are possible where the neck can be used and supported and with minimal movement.

    I think movement is essential to free up and resolve whatever problem exists. When it comes to Pranayama, naturally if you have tightness then you won’t have the full range of motion. Some conditions preclude ever getting that full motion too. So more has to be known about your issue if Pranayama is involved in what you need to fix.

    It does seem that your issue is much more about head, neck, shoulders and the arms over the head position. As Blue suggests, shoulders down in Pranayama is always essential. But mostly, diligent exploitation of the mechanisms of this pose will sort your neck out, contrary to popular opinion where avoidance is often the answer.

    Blue you expressed yourself beautifully about working with the body! Thanks. Add to that, that one has to marry that diligence with good technique: Lifting up and back rather than just back from the lower spine; release of shoulders.

    Gijsbert you said:

    ‘backbends are the healer of the spine’ is not applicable here? I always thought this was a Truth…

    To a great extent I agree with that particularly because it counteracts the forward bending focus of our movements. It has to be accompanied by courage and intuition. Again, using Blue’s advice to work with the body is essential. You are clearly doing that now.

    Thanks Lisa for recommending my video. It is essential viewing (so others tell me :coolsmile:) and is useful for understanding how the shoulders work in any yoga practice. Lisa is correct: Resolving shoulder tension is usually the answer. If you haven’t seen the video about putting your “elbows in the back pocket” then please do. It’s called A Transformational Technique For Your Practice, For Your Life. Scroll to the bottom of the page!

    Thanks for sharing your body wisdom with me and the rest of the world :cheese:. Let me know if there are any other questions or developments!

    Namaste
    Gabrielle 🙂

    gijsbertvdl
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    Thanks a a lot, Gabrielle and others, for your advice. I re-viewed the video about elbows in your pockets, and also the video about effective breathing I found very useful.
    The thing with elbows in your pockets is, that I can apply it in standing, also with great effects in walking and sitting in daily life, in class it helps me a lot in bringing up my arms sideways – but then… I don’t know how to put my elbows in my pockets when I stand with my arms against my ears and my handpalms compressed. And that’s exactly the spot where I might get into problems. By the way, this week I have very good experiences with focussing on relaxing and keeping down my shoulders in many poses. But again: half moon with shoulders down? Namaste, Gijsbert

    Lisafr
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    Well, you can’t literally put your elbows in your back pocket in half moon pose. But you can still bring your shoulders back and down, while holding your hands and arms up. What I do is: bring my arms up next to, and now even a bit behind my ears while holding my hands together (pushing my shoulders a bit back), paying more attention to bringing the shoulders back than touching my ears with my arms. Then, before doing any movement to the side, I push my shoulder blades down as much as possible. If I don’t do this, my shoulders almost stick to my ears. When I bring my shoulder blades down, also my shoulders come down a little bit and I can see space between my ears and my shoulders. Initially this space was very small, but now it is much bigger than before. I hope I described it in a clear enough way. In case you own Gabrielle’s book, the master class, take a look at page 74 and you will see what I mean. The most important benefit from this technique to me was the relaxation of my neck muscles!

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