Dialogue refers to 14 major joints

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gavster
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March 24, 2012 at 8:19 am

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#2299

At the studio where I practice, most teachers refer in the dialogue for this pose to the benefits for all 14 major joints.

I can only think of 12! 3 in each limb. Please, what are the other two?

Gabrielle (The Hot Yoga Doctor)
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March 24, 2012 at 8:32 am

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#9452

Hello Gavin

Ah yes, what is going on there?

Ask them because I would like to know what they’re saying too? As a teacher specialising in learning technologies I can tell you that drawing attention to something like that that poses questions that are unanswerable and that add no value to your practice is not only distracting it’s just filling time.

Shame really. There is SO MUCH to this pose to make distinctions on.

Would love to hear about those other joints! 😆

Namaste
Gabrielle 🙂

kfi2000
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March 24, 2012 at 12:54 pm

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#9456

I think they are including scapula. Not sure if they count!

-Kristin

Gabrielle (The Hot Yoga Doctor)
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March 24, 2012 at 2:51 pm

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#9457

Hi Kristin

Thanks for the contribution. It’s a good guess methinks! 😉 However it doesn’t count here: The shoulder is a joint that is made up of the head of humerus into the socket known as the glenoid fossa. The glenoid fossa is a part of the scapula…

So if you could scapulae then you’re counting the shoulder joints twice.

If you’ve heard 14 joints then simply ask your teachers to tell you which ones they are referring to. Should be interesting to see what we’ve neglected to include

Namaste
Gabrielle 🙂

kfi2000
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March 24, 2012 at 4:19 pm

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#9458

actually it was one of my teachers who mentioned the scapulae. I agree, not technically a joint in and of itself, so not sure why they would count. Otherwise, I have no clue. 🙂

As you are well aware, there are plenty of oddities in the dialogue. One that I wish would change is, “Hips nice and contraction”……uh, you mean contracted?

-Kristin

bonmar
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March 27, 2012 at 1:50 am

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#9463

And how about “pulling is the object of stretching.” Shouldn’t it be the other way around?

Gabrielle (The Hot Yoga Doctor)
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March 27, 2012 at 1:54 am

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#9464

Indeed Bonnie! Indeed. You are correct 🙂

Hope you’re well

Namaste
Gabrielle 🙂

Davidkiser
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March 27, 2012 at 3:00 am

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#9470

What Bikram includes in that is shoulders, deltoids, elbows, wrists, hips, knees, ankles. You can argue if that is accurate or not, but that is where it comes from.

Gabrielle (The Hot Yoga Doctor)
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March 27, 2012 at 1:58 pm

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#9491

Hello David Kiser

Thank you for the provenance.

My input would be that it serves or adds nothing and nobody to imply that there are 14 major joints in the body. The deltoids are muscles which happen to wrap shoulders! The shoulders are the joints.

Despite the erroneous information it appears that there are people who continue to say something that is not accurate for absolutely no good reason.

Namaste
Gabrielle 🙂

sareho
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April 3, 2012 at 9:03 pm

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#9537

There are 14 major joints:

1. Shoulders
2. Elbows
3. Wrists
4. Hips
5. Knees
6. Upper Ankles (between shin and anklebone)
7. Lower Ankles (between anklebone and heel bone)

Feet/ankles are therefore different from hands/wrists!

Elena

Gabrielle (The Hot Yoga Doctor)
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April 4, 2012 at 7:10 am

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#9541

Hi Elena

I honestly don’t know if this is supposed to be making me giggle or if it’s serious. I apologise for any offense taken by that last comment.

For those who need the science behind it: The ankle is the region of the joining of the foot and the lower leg. There is no such thing as an ankle bone. It is the place of that articulation. It is made up of the 2 bones of the lower limb (tibia and fibula) and they articulate with the talus or the heel.

This is one joint. This is not 2 joints otherwise we would have 2 articulations and THREE MOVING parts. This is a single hinge: Lower leg and foot join

If you have something that you would like to present to refute that or evolve my understanding of that area of the body, then I would be very happy to learn it.

Namaste
Gabrielle 🙂

sareho
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April 4, 2012 at 7:08 pm

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#9542

Hi Gabrielle

for someone who doesn’t really know the anatomy of the foot, this was a pretty patronizing way of answering, so yes, little offense taken..

the thing i meant by anklebone was the “talus”. my mistake…

but there is one joint between tibia/fibula and talus (= true ankle joint, or talocrural joint) AND there is one joint between talus and calcaneus (which is called subtalar joint), so 2 joints in total.

i hope this made you happy 🙂

Elena

Gabrielle (The Hot Yoga Doctor)
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April 5, 2012 at 3:31 am

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#9545

Hi Elena

Ah yes! You’re right. There is only one movement as a hinge so that is I guess the most important thing. What do you think?

To continue the discussion… the relationship between the 2 leg bones does not really contribute as a JOINT per se so I would not consider that to be a major articulation.

If one were to do that then one look at the wrist in a similar way with the relationship of the ulna and the radius allowing twisting or lateral movement.

Humble heartfelt apologies Elena!

Namaste
Gabrielle 🙂
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