Does your studio get you to straddle your mat or turn and stay on your mat?

Does your studio get you to straddle your mat or turn and stay on your mat?2010-01-16T03:03:51+00:00
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  • bonmar
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    I’m interested to hear from others which way their studio goes with this one.

    Ours changed about a year and a half ago to coming to the top of the towel and turning right for Separate Leg Stretching, Triangle and Separate Leg Head to Knee Stretching poses, which keeps all your sweat on your towel and minimizes slippage.

    Another forum member was asking how not to slip on the bare floor at her studio, as her studio gets them to straddle their mats for these poses.

    Which was does yours go?

    Gabrielle (The Hot Yoga Doctor)
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    Hi Bonnie

    I am interested to see the contributions of others here. It is certainly logical and practical to turn for those 3 poses. It obviously helps if there are mirrors on 2 walls.

    I am sure I have mentioned this elsewhere on the forum… but here goes…Space and mirror constraints can determine whether people take the option to turn to the side for these 3 poses.

    Our first public studio was at home and our home started smelling of sweat straight away. So we placed the towels across the mat in a ‘T’. This had immediate good effect.

    This works well (if you only face one mirrored wall) because:
    >> the towels get washed and it minimizes the sweat on the floor regardless of floor type.
    >> If it’s a smooth floor (no carpet) then it minimizes the risk of slippage and if it’s a carpeted floor it minimizes slippage, the stink and the likelihood of creating a breeding environment for microbes (yuck!).
    >> There’s no mucking around (distractions are minimized) because you place your towel like that before class and then realign it along the mat after you have finished the standing poses.

    We actually did choose an indoor outdoor carpet that is fully washable. And with the towel across the mats the only reason the room smelled was sweat in the air not emanating from the floor! All the studio needed was a good airing.

    In my next studio I will explore other options like rubber matting etc but I hope this gives an option to those who can’t change anything right now.

    Namaste
    Gabrielle 🙂

    RandomFemale
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    Fascinating to hear about the carpet (no, really! 🙂 We also turn the towel itself to a T. About 10 years ago, at the first studio (Bikram San Diego) I went to, we straddled the towel, puddles of sweat remaining at our feet. That was a bit before the studio got rockin’ numbers of people in–I wonder what they do now.

    bebe22
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    At my studio we straddle the mat. This topic has got me wondering though… At the moment the University students are on summer holiday so the studio is far quieter – when they come back I’ve heard we get packed in like sardines. I haven’t been practising very long, so I’m interested to see if we’re expected to stand on other people’s mats during the straddling postures. Don’t know if I’d be particularly comfortable with that… 8-/

    Gabrielle (The Hot Yoga Doctor)
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    Hi Pip

    You may find that you won’t be able to stand on others’ mats. If you have your feet on 2 different mats you are more likely to find that you do slip and this can be a risky situation. Anyway, I am positive you will find the space to put your feet. People move themselves around. I know that at times I have had to negotiate a mat or 2, even sometimes placing my toes under the neighbor’s mat. I have seen people fold their mat up at a corner (not the best for a distraction-free practice!). It all works out!

    Namaste
    Gabrielle 🙂

    bonmar
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    Well, it’s becoming clear that coming to the top of the mat and turning sideways for these poses is the easiest and safest way, but, as Gab says, I guess the studio needs to have mirrors on two walls, although I could certainly do the sideways poses without mirrors. Actually, I’d like to do them without all the chatter as well. I may try to find a “silent” class, but that’s a totally different topic.

    Anonymous
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    Unfotunately, the option of turning on the mat really isn’t up to the student: it is more of a studio policy…I think the rationale for stepping to the side is for use of the mirror in front and because in one of Bikram’s books, he relates a story about doing poses on polished marble surfaces. I think the theory is that your legs will get stronger if you practice on slippery surfaces. I personally think it is foolish, but what’s a girl to do in such a structured class when the floor is smooth lino?
    Ah well, since it is the only hot yoga studio in town, I’ll just have to adapt I suppose…

    Gabrielle (The Hot Yoga Doctor)
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    Hi Freiamaya

    I agree! Sometimes studios have policies that are not in the best interest of their customers. It seems to be an issue of politics and for me that doesn’t make sense.

    My rule of thumb would be that if you and others are struggling constantly, regardless of your ability to do the pose (say with the mat under your feet) and it is NOT simply your leg strength then a solution has to be found for all.

    What about doing your standing poses with your towel in a T? You don’t fuss you just change the orientation when you get to the floor! Added advantages, you don’t get distracted by managing the risk of slipping, your towel does the mopping for your studio and needs less cleaning! :cheese: Well, I thought I’d throw that one in because you might need some supportive ammunition.

    Personally I’d just do it and not worry about a poor reaction. What are they going to do? Throw you out because you look after your safety? TRY to humiliate or embarrass you because of a towel? When you look how trivial the issue is it’s quite laughable that there is even the possibility that you could be taken to task on this.

    I know there are other considerations (like trying to conform and not wanting to stand out by doing something a little different) – but I am on the way out now! – so perhaps later. 😉

    What do you think?

    Namaste
    Gabrielle 🙂

    Anonymous
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    Its kind of a hard one to answer. The studio is quite “regimented” with respect to practice and doing as instructed. I HAVE seen them toss people from the class if the student in question is not following the general principles, such as continually chatting with friends or for doing their own yoga routine and ignoring the class completely. Sometimes the studio is very very crowded, and they will have people move mats and eliminate stuff that isn’t necessary from the studio floor to make more space — one girl in particular has been asked to either keep ALL her stuff in the lockers provided OR find another place to do yoga. She elected to leave the studio.

    The problem is that, being in a town where this is the ONLY studio that offers any form of heated yoga, I don’t want to rock the boat. It isn’t as though I’m the only one being put in this awkward position, and I’m not the only one who has slipped and fallen in class.

    The other perhaps bigger problem is that it is hard for me, a relatively new person to the practice to know what I SHOULD modify, what I MUST modify, and what I have to simply just practice in order to get it right. After all, there are things we all hear, such as “You don’t experience any of the benefits unless your standing leg is locked” and so on. If I modify THIS, do I lose the benefits? I don’t know — I don’t know enough about yoga and this form of yoga within the overall spectrum of yoga study to give a confident answer. This form of yoga is very….paternalistic?…in some ways. Bikram/the instructor state that they know what is best for you the practitioner with respect to pose order and “ideal” body positioning. It is hard as a newbie to understand what one can do with and what one can do without. Modifying any pose is a tough call for me simply because like most people, I’d LOVE the “easy way out”. Some of these poses are HARD, dang it! But some modifications certainly make them easier to do. I don’t know if this modification to towel position is indeed taking the “easy way out” (because it is way, way easier to do triangle pose on a towel) or whether by practicing as instructed, I will experience significant gains in my leg/groin/thigh strength and endurance after a few months (years?) of concerted effort.

    Freia

    Gabrielle (The Hot Yoga Doctor)
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    Hi Freia

    Here are my responses to the students being asked to leave: I think you already know how I feel about the kind of regimentation of which you speak. Regimentation and discipline mean different things to different teachers. What one chooses to be firm on can change from person to person and they yield different results. There have been times where we have politely asked someone to leave if they have insisted on talking unnecessarily, even continuing a mobile phone conversation (really!) after being asked to stop. A hot yoga class is not the place for doing your own thing. They can do that elsewhere. The approaches may be different from teachers, and one teacher may have been able to influence a behavior change so that the student chooses to stay, but given the scenarios, those instructors were right to request those students leave.

    Regarding the woman with too much stuff in the studio. Our rule: don’t bring anything in except your mat, water and towel. Don’t bring a wallet, your bag, your watch, anything. It’s too distracting even to have it at the back corner of the room! Certain things could stay with agreement for example, a doctor on 24 hour call can bring his beeper in. Stuff like that. It’s the way the situation is handled that counts. Then it’s up to the customer to choose their response. Mutual respect is paramount.

    Back to Triangle pose. You make some very good points. My stance (pardon the pun) on it is this: If in Triangle you are STRUGGLING to stop slipping because of a REAL RISK of injury then your body is setting up all sorts of tensions to be able to stop yourself from falling. A lino floor is slippery. And by the sounds of it, students’ practice seems to be being compromised by this problem. Myths of yoga on ice are myths. Yoga on marble floors is easy if you’re not sweating and the floor stays dry beneath your feet. It’s a shame that there is limited choice for you because it seems you can’t vote with your feet and still attend a hot studio.

    May I ask you questions about your word choice? You say:

    Modifying any pose is a tough call for me simply because like most people, I’d LOVE the “easy way out”. Some of these poses are HARD, dang it!

    I’d like to ask you whether you think the poses are hard or whether they are challenging for you? Do you feel that with current conditions you are able to ‘get’ the poses but you find them challenging? Or is it that you find them hard and you are struggling to get them? I know it’s semantics, but often in the forum all we have are the words. 😉 You are a great wordsmith and I look forward to your reply and thoughtful insights.

    Namaste
    Gabrielle 🙂

    bonmar
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    Freia, does your studio have side mirrors or only one wall of mirrors? That’s the first question, as I see it.

    bonmar
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    Gab, does your studio have side mirrors?

    Anonymous
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    Hi! My studio has only one set of mirrors, along the front wall. None along the sides at all.
    And what I mean by “hard” and “easy” with respect to modification might be best illustrated by considering a few examples:

    Locust pose: Putting my arms with my palms downward on the floor under my body is very, very uncomfortable. Downright hurts like hell, actually. My elbows and hands really really suffer. It is also very awkward to keep one hip on the floor and not use it to raise the other leg with the locked knee outward and upwards towards the ceiling in the first two parts of Locust. BUT….if I keep my hands palm UP and beside my body, my elbows don’t hurt and I can do all parts of Locust without pain. Also, in the first 2 parts of Locust, if I tense up the right side of my body and raise my right hip up off the floor and use it to lift the other locked leg outwards and upwards, I am much more comfortable. My leg flies off the floor. I feel my lower back working and am feeling one side working more than the other.

    The question is this: Does the perception of discomfort/pain in my elbows and hands mean that modification of this pose in the way detailed above would be appropriate? Or would I lose the benefits of the posture?

    Half-Tortoise Pose: We are instructed to sit japanese-style on the mat, put our arms over our heads, clasp our palms together, draw ourselves upwards and forwards, keeping our head between our arms and to fold forward til our forehead touches the floor, while keeping our bums firmly on our heels. I find that it takes much less effort if I curl forward to get my head down — instead of using my core strength to fold at the waist, I can roll down and forward and end up in the same position. I can then straighten my spine and work my fingers forward while pushing my butt down onto my feet.

    The question is: Does one struggle to keep a solid core in the initial stages of a pose or modify the pose and take the less demanding solution by rolling forward?

    Yoga Situps: We are instructed to put our hands over our head, inhale, come up, forcefully giving a double exhale while touching our toes. BUT, for this pose, if you have back problems you are invited to roll over to one side and make your way up.

    The question is: Are Yoga Situps not an integral part of the sequence, meaning they can be eliminated as desired from the practice? And does this apply to other poses, too?

    Now, I know it is pretty clear that if I have an actively injured shoulder, I’m going to take things slowly and modify my range of motion, for example, of the affected joint. This is pretty clear and what would be a normal response.

    It isn’t so clear when one is trying to distinguish between pain due to injury, pain due to using joints/muscles in unfamiliar ways, pain due to resolving past injuries, and unequal pain during poses due for example to weaker muscles on one side of the body than the other.

    And this is how it applies to triangle pose: Bikram says in one of his books that he used to do triangle pose as a student for what seemed like hours on a slippery marble floor. This strengthened his groin/inner thigh muscles. I believe this is the rationale for why our teachers are instructing us to do this pose on their slipperly lino floor. Bikram has detailed his experience; the instructors feel that this will become our experience. Now, it is physically easier to lunge when your feet are securely on a carpet or on a towel. This is what I mean by the distinction between “hard” and “easy” — I COULD continue on the lino floor OR I could make it an easier posture on my legs/groin/inner thighs and balance if I modify my towel position to work exclusively on the towel. However, if part of the benefits of triangle pose are to strengthen my inner thighs and groin, and working on a towel is physically easier to do than working on a slippery floor, and Bikram worked on a slippery marble floor and improved his groin/inner thigh strength accordingly, is it appropriate to modify my practice away from the specific direction of my instructor?

    I think this question is fundamental to the practice of Bikrams Yoga. How and when is modification to poses appropriate? Is it in case of discomfort (which is a personal perception, not a measurable standard)? Is it to make a pose easier to get into or out of? Is it to preserve joint health even the absence of acute pain?

    In the gray areas of yoga practice, how does one really decide if/when a modification is really, and I mean REALLY required? Or is it a case of accepting the teacher/student relationship and as a student, devolving this authority to the direction of the teacher? After all, yoga is centuries old. Bikram yoga is really a sequence of Hatha yoga positions that have been established over centuries and centuries of practice.

    I don’t know any of these answers. I know that I will adjust my practice in response to injury, and I know that I don’t have the knowledge base nor the overall experience in Hatha yoga outside of a Bikrams practice in order to feel confident that I am making appropriate modifications while still retaining the intent and benefits of my practice. I don’t think most of us are able to make this distinction, actually. And I don’t think that modifications are wrong or “evil” or to be avoided. I am just floundering with respect to determining what modifications are appropriate and in what circumstances modifications are acceptable within the context of an honest and authentic yoga practice. And, to be completely honest, I am often more tempted to rationalize the use of modifications than I am to suck it up, accept the pain/discomfort, and to do the hard work and the poses as intended and directed by Bikram and his delegated instructors.

    Interesting questions…my DH says I think too much!!!

    Namaste
    Freia

    Gabrielle (The Hot Yoga Doctor)
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    Hi Freia

    Thanks for the DETAIL! :cheese:

    I will take my time to answer these issues over the next day or 3! Ha. I will probably look at each of the poses queried. I may even take each pose and post a thread under each pose category – with your permission. The philosophy of it will probably stay right here.

    I will certainly want to read and digest your words a few times. I know there are some other hints to your practice challenges in other posts elsewhere that I seem to recall…

    We’ll reconnect soon. Maybe others will chime in with their thoughts in the meantime

    Namaste
    Gabrielle 🙂

    Anonymous
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    😆
    Just made your day, huh!
    Seriously, I think this is more of a philosophical question in many ways. The mechanics of the poses are one thing that are clearly affected by genetics, bone structure, use/disuse patterns, and so on. The philosophy and intent behind each pose is less clear for newbies like me!

    Later,

    Freia

    Gabrielle (The Hot Yoga Doctor)
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    Hi Freia

    I could write for pages on this and I just went through your answers again and realized that there is an assumption that many hot yogis make that seems to be hinted at in your post. The belief seems to be that if you’re doing it hard, then you’re doing it right. To me that is NOT correct. If for some reason challenge and struggle have come to mean the same thing, then there needs to be a rethink.

    Pose elimination or modification occurs to avoid risk of injury, it is not at a whim but due to functionality and safety. There are plenty of common pose mechanisms in the poses that repeat themselves many times throughout the class. There are ways to modify that preserve the intention of the poses. If the pose mechanism changes then so do the benefits. I like to find the way that will preserve what works in the ideal pose.

    I have some thoughts I can add about some of your specific poses. So here goes, even if it is going beyond the philosophical discussion that we were having. 😉

    Locust: Where are your arms? Can you still have them palms down but not so close together? This is the way you are going to strengthen your arms. It’s not just about the legs. Palms up doesn’t do the same thing but can be a modification if you really can’t have your arms palms down.

    Tortoise: You want to challenge your core. Some people physically CANNOT do anything but curl down. They start to descend and their back rounds no matter what they do. Are you finding it hard or are you struggling? That’s the question you need to ask yourself. I can ask you other questions that may give me more, but we can take things one step at a time.

    You mentioned slipping on the lino floor. It is true that there could be a weakness if you are slipping. If your body or legs are very weak then you muscles will create tension in your body to try to stop you slipping (protective reflexes included). That very activity will actually stand in the way of creating that vital balance of surrender and effort in your pose – because the whole time your body is ‘on alert’. A lino or marble floor is not slippery if it’s not wet. If it’s wet you will slip (even Bikram would). So for me it’s a question of safety and especially in litigious America it’s a question of whether the customer is being placed in an unreasonable and unnecessarily risky situation.

    In all cases the modifications are about safety and reducing or removing risk. If your shoulder is aching and feels as though it’s ripping something when you straighten your arm up over your head in half moon you find a way to improve the experience. If you have a teacher barking at you to straighten your arms then you have a dilemma. Do I keep myself safe? Do I listen to the teacher because they’re supposed to know better than me (after all they ARE the teacher)? Do I listen to the teacher even though I have a little voice inside my head telling me that I am not ‘getting it’ and there must be another way? Am I worried that if I do something different that I’ll be singled out? Do I risk feeling uncomfortable physically so that I can feel part of the class?

    What now are you thinking, oh thoughtful one! 😉

    Namaste
    Gabrielle 🙂

    Anonymous
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    Thanks for your well-thought out reply, Gabrielle!

    In answer to your questions, I guess I should explain some of my personal philosophy wrt Bikram’s Yoga or any yoga practice for that matter.

    I personally don’t believe in “no pain no gain” as an absolute, but I believe in a certain aspect of it. That is, I think that one needs to experience a sense of discomfort if the person’s personal goal is to improve one specific part or parts of one’s practice. I think of it this way: my DH is a runner. To improve his times, he trains specifically to and beyond the point of comfort into the definite discomfort zone. He doesn’t train on injury, but he makes darned sure that he isn’t comfortable during his hard training sessions. He doesn’t train this way every time, either. But to improve in an overall sense, there are specific workouts that he does where he is in what he terms “the pain zone”. This is the way to improve his times.

    In my yoga practice, I know I would like to improve my balance and flexibility. So, for 2 or 3 sessions out of 5 a week, I make sure I go to the point of discomfort. Not pain, just further than I usually go and am comfortable with. Other practices are “easy” days, where I enjoy the stretch and moderate my efforts to have a comfortable practice.

    This concept is really different from the “no pain no gain” philosophy that some practitioners have. I listen to my body, sometimes ignore it!, but never ever work hard to the point of injury or through injury. However, I believe that you do have to work hard and consistently to see any sort of improvement, though. Repetition of any activity at 50% of your capacity will not lead to growth in any area IMHO! This has nothing to do with needing to feel part of the class or to feeling bullied by an instructor. It has to do with a personal belief that to get the benefits of the pose, you need to strive for the ideal even when it is hard and uncomfortable to do so.

    This is where the issue of modification comes in. The issue of floor stability during triangle pose is one example of possible modifications. Moving and working on a towel is one solution. It is safe, quick, and anyone can do it. Modifying the pose is also another solution — not stepping out as far and not bending the forward leg to be parallel with the floor would also work and be safe. The issue that I have with both these solutions is that I’m not sure if doing this will compromise the benefits inherent in the pose. So the philosophical question is: does one work to the ideal and accept that the depth of pose expression is compromised? Or does one work to the modified solution?

    I too am a dentist! I am used to working towards an ideal (after all, remember our clinical exams?) but understand that each individual situation is exactly that. The reality and practicality of a situation is an important factor in any dental practice. However, there are standards and ideals that we as dentists always strive to achieve. The important thing is in the attempt to achieve the ideal. Consider crown and bridge work. There are certain “flexible” areas that are dictated by the reality, such as crown morphology which is dictated by the alignment of the opposing arch for example and by function. BUT there are some certain specific standards that MUST be followed — overall crown thickness (depending on material), marginal integrity, mesial and distal contacts and so on. If the crown fails in these critical aspects, it is my responsibility to redo the crown. You just can’t compromise or modify some of these standards because the integrity of the crown is compromised.

    Similarly, in yoga the question becomes this: for each pose, what are the standards? Are there any? Is foot position open to modification but arm position is not? When does modification render a pose moot, for lack of a better term? Is the goal to get INTO the pose or is the getting INTO and OUT OF the pose also of benefit? When does a pose begin or end? And if I find a pose challenging, how much modification (in the absence of injury of course) is appropriate? When does one reach the point where they have modified the benefits out of the pose itself? If you put yourself in the shoes of a Newbie such as myself, it becomes confusing. This is the essence of my question. Not “How to I adjust my hands to raise my left leg more comfortably?”, but “Will adjusting my hands in order to raise my left leg more comfortably affect the integrity of the pose itself?”, and “SHOULD I adjust my hands to raise my left leg more comfortably or should I be patient, keep my hands in the proscribed position and trust that with time my left leg and the associated muscles adjust and it will raise more comfortably?”.

    With respect to my yoga practice, I always attempt to achieve the ideal. The reality often falls short of the ideal, but I think that if I attempt the ideal, little by little, I may get there. And if I don’t, well, it isn’t for lack of trying! And at this point, I choose not to modify in absence of injury because I’m not sure that practicing a modification will get me closer to an ideal expression of a pose in the long run.

    As an aside to this, I read a response to the question of foot stability during triangle pose. One response was to identify on the bottom of your foot a spot between the big and second toe. And to firmly plant that spot into the floor during this pose. The author felt that if you didn’t, your balance was compromised and the distribution of your weight would make this pose unstable and your foot would slip. I found this interesting because it is a technique that can be used to improve stability without compromising the intention of the pose. I am trying this particular technique and although my depth of pose expression isn’t fabulous, perhaps in 2 or 3 months it will be better!

    Thanks again for your answer! Philosophy is fun, no?
    🙂

    Gabrielle (The Hot Yoga Doctor)
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    Hi Freia

    I have to apologize. I really want to have this philosophical conversation!!! I enjoy it. I just haven’t had the time. I keep the page open in my browser and save the session and keep seeing it there. I hate to just give a cursory answer to anything. And as a result it looks like I have ignored you, but that’s not the case!!!!!

    One day! Anyway, that’s amazing you’re also a dentist. I liked your analogy. OK, off to work I go. The thought occurs we should just Skype each other! 😉

    Namaste
    Gabrielle 🙂

    bonmar
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    Hi, Freia!

    Bikram says: “Dont change the yoga – let the yoga change you.”

    Anonymous
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    🙂
    Better to be busy rather than have too much time on your hands, Gabrielle! Although that WOULD leave more time for Bikrams…

    Take care my friend…later!

    Freia

    Jbigler
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    Hi Endiva, Freia, Bonmar & Gabrielle —

    This is an old topic, but one that I’ve just now discovered… it’s an issue that has been a major concern for me for years!

    My local studio has mirrors on three sides, but it absolutely insists that all students straddle the mat (and/or towel), putting their feet on the sweaty slippery carpet, to do those three postures! I sweat much more than most other students, and I find the slipping painful and dangerous, especially during the second set of triangle, when my muscles are more tired and my feet are in puddles of sweat.

    However, the owner of the studio, and the teachers that are rigidly controlled by him, insist that the slipping will end when the muscles become stronger, as they resist the slipping. Perhaps that’s true for the pros who don’t sweat much, but, after years of practice, I don’t believe it’s true for many of us.

    The main argument from my studio owner and the teachers is that the Bikram organization REQUIRES all studios to have students straddle their mats for those postures! (Apparently, there’s an exception for studios that use hardwood floors and don’t follow the preferred Bikram practice of using carpet.) I’ve been told more than once that studios would lose their Bikram licenses if they allowed students to turn on their mats to do those postures facing the side wall.

    In response, I’ve learned to start triangle with both feet on the left side of my mat, keeping my left foot on the mat during the postures. I was yelled at for doing that, but the teachers now know that I ignore them — to me, they are just telling the other students to not follow my example. However, since my one foot is still on the sweaty carpet, I still slide some — during the second half of the second set of triangle, when I face left, I cheat by resting my knuckles on the floor.

    I would like to know if it’s true that a Bikram studio will lose its license if it allows students to turn to the side wall and stand on their mat when doing triangle and the other two postures.

    John

    Gabrielle (The Hot Yoga Doctor)
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    Hi John

    Nothing EVER should be dangerous in a yoga studio. So that in and of itself should answer your question. If it’s dangerous while ‘your legs get stronger by learning how not to slip’ then that is still absolutely no reason to FORCE people to stand on the dangerous substance. Mats are there for a purpose. To define the space. To provide safety. They are 2 big reasons. There are others.

    I believe that nobody would lose affiliation status because they decided to turn on their mats. What I think is that it’s a sign of adults unable to make sound decisions for their own lives and businesses and making what I believe (and obviously you do too) to be bad decisions in terms of the safety of their students.

    Such a decision smacks of fear not of good business.

    To have sound footing is imperative. If you do not have this pose right you could slide a little on a mat too. Mats for hot yoga are designed to create traction. If a mat is slippery then a towel is placed over it. But the risk of ripping muscles or compromising one’s body and practice and literally overriding the protective mechanisms of the body is sheer madness.

    If you are strong enough in the legs to prevent slipping then you can ‘settle in’ to the hips in a way that creates more strength and more flexibility. HOWEVER if your pose is weighted incorrectly through the hips, OR the feet, possibly favouring one side of the body more than the other (in a number of criteria and planes) OR if your arms are positioned wrongly against the legs OR even if, as many people do not fit the scripted instruction to have their fingers in a certain scripted relationship to the floor, then your body will not support a proper Triangle pose. By the way, the majority of students do have a weight distribution issue and or place the arms incorrectly. The best way to surrender, to be attuned to your body’s safety signs is to actually start on that mat.

    That’s aside from the fact that the mat provides a defined space for practice that is uniquely YOURS and upon which nobody else impinges.

    To have adults subjugating reasonableness to a dogmatic so-called mythical rule (or litigious leader) is craziness. The irrationality is resounding. One needs to ask “WHY?”. Why does one have to straddle the mat? It’s not to strengthen the muscles. It comes from having to [strong]face the mirror. If your studio has mirrors on 3 walls then there is no reason at all NOT to turn for those 3 poses.[/strong]

    Phew. Off my soapbox now :cheese:

    Hey, if you need another reason it’s this: SWEAT. When you turn on a mat there are less cleaning bills for a studio. The sweat – 95% of the time – lands on the mat and towel and the STUDENT takes it away with them and cleans it up.

    A studio that insists on students sweating on their carpet will pay in cleaning bills. I know of countless folk who will not go to a Bikram studio because the place literally stinks. It is hard to keep a sweaty carpet clean. Maybe you can appeal to them that way! 😉

    Namaste
    Gabrielle 🙂

    Jbigler
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    Thanks, Gabrielle, for your reply.

    I do hope that you’re correct and that studios wouldn’t lose affiliation status if they allowed or encouraged students to turn on their mats for triangle. Perhaps a studio owner will correct us if that’s not the case.

    When I look around the room during triangle pose at my local studio, I see that many students do not have the ideal form, in my opinion. Instead of keeping the forward knee over the ankle, they often move the knee further forward, or they stay more upright, with their thigh far from parallel to the floor. I believe that they are compromising the pose to avoid slipping on the sweaty carpet.

    To me, the alignment and form of the pose are of primary importance. If students could improve their alignment and form by turning on their mats (towels), they might benefit more from the practice. I believe that they would be able to go deeper into triangle pose without risk of injury.

    As for your comment about the cleaning bills, my local studio has that covered: The studio gives class privileges to a couple people who clean the mirrors and run the rug cleaning machine — the machine seems to vacuum up most of the sweat and the carpet doesn’t seem to stink much. That argument won’t work for me here.

    I’ve given up on the studio — I can’t change the studio. And the studio has given up on me — they know that I won’t change my practice. We have a truce. It’s the new students who really suffer.

    John

    Gabrielle (The Hot Yoga Doctor)
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    Hi John

    You’re right! The body will react to create some stability. Stability doesn’t care if the pose is right or wrong. It’s about self-preservation. 😉

    Namaste
    Gabrielle 🙂

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