Drill sargent instructor

Drill sargent instructor2011-02-16T21:44:10+00:00
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  • scoob-jen
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    Ok, I am a new yogi. I have been practicing Bikram for just about a month. I have really fallen in love with it. I am most impressed with how it has impacted my mental well-being. I recently switched over to a new studio that is closer to my house. I am a bit disappointed so far because most of the instructors are very hard core. The other studio had instructors that we very helpful and motivating as well as very helpful with postures. I enjoyed the fact that is was a “Moving Meditation”. At the new studio I do not feel that way at all. The instructor are more like drill Sargent’s and very harsh with the yogis. I understand that we need some gentle pushing but embarrassing people because they sit out a posture is unacceptable as far as I am concerned. When a fellow yogi was taking a break from a posture the instructor says “keep going, no breaks, that not how we do it here”!! Is it just me or is that wrong? The instructors where I started practicing always said to listen to your body while practicing which is probably what the girl was doing. Luckily there is one instructor that I love that i met at the old studio. They do not post instructors so I don’t know ahead of time when she will be there :(. I am considering talking to the management about my feelings. What do you all think? Am i being lame?

    connie36
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    I’d certainly let them know that you’re unhappy.

    hankgretchen
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    If the above doesn’t work, you can always leave. Tough guy yoga instructors amuse me no end. Just ignore them or
    ask them to step outside after practice. That last is an approach that not everyone can do, of course. They aren’t in fact drill instructors, and they have no power at all.

    Should add that maybe some are just trying to help your yoga. Up to you to determine whether that is true or just a power trip/ego thing.

    Anonymous
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    The character or tone of the studio often takes its direction from the studio owner, so if you aren’t happy you can always talk to the owner. Its possible that the owner either doesn’t know that the instructors are viewed this way or that they are a new owner and haven’t really set the tone of the studio yet.
    On one hand, the boot camp style of Bikram’s yoga is part and parcel of the yoga itself for the most part. The philosophy is that your body adapts to the yoga not the other way around. And, often, people are really either not working or aren’t prepared to suffer any discomfort whatsoever. My SIL is like that LOL. I’ve seen her yell at physiotherapists, doctors, nurses, fitness instructors, you name it. She can’t bear to be out of her comfort zone for even a second and is quite “forward” in demanding that things cater to her. LOL!

    On the other hand, there is a line between yelling and being firm, offering encouragement and shouting at someone. I’ve seen lots of being firm and offering encouragment/corrections, and never any shouting and I’ve taken classes at tons of different studios in a number of countries. That’s not part of Bikram, the yelling and shouting, BUT one needs to be careful that they aren’t misinterpreting the boot camp nature of this form of yoga in light of a desire to have a gentler approach taken.

    SO, the instructor saying “don’t take a break” may be a way of telling someone that they can do more than they think possible, or that they aren’t really giving an honest effort, or that they’re quite frankly dogging it. This is part of Bikram’s. It really isn’t a contemplative, listen to your body, rest, relax, bring a pillow type of activity. I personally don’t have an issue with it.

    There are plenty of other forms of gentle stretch/yoga classes a person can do if they don’t like this approach.

    I find it a bit odd, though, that people go to a Bikram’s class and have issue with the boot camp style of instruction and yoga. Its similar in nature to, say, a student who takes an Accounting class and afterwards complains bitterly that they had to add and subtract numbers, that they like the IDEA of numbers but felt offended that they had to put them in tables and had their work marked, that they felt that the Accounting professor should have allowed them to rest and contemplate the nature of numbers and understood that the concept of a number is what was important, not the assignment. Its a Bikram’s class, and it is what it is. Not for everyone, but as the theory goes, you adapt your body/mind to this form of yoga. And if it isn’t for you, which is absolutely understandable and completely fine, there are other forms of yoga out there.

    JMHO

    🙂

    hankgretchen
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    Uh no, That isn’t what it is, at least in the Bikram yoga studios I’ve been in. I did commercial studios for several years and found that that the “boot camp” style is anomalous, usually just one or two instructors, if that. And anyone who has been to a real boot camp finds the characterization ridiculous anyway. People that want to be driven probably like that style. If that’s your deal then by all means go for it.

    Robert Scanlon (Webmaster)
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    Yes, not all Bikram studios that are “tough” are also harsh, it’s important to distinguish between this.

    There’s a BIG difference between feeling as if you are motivated to work hard … and being abused. The latter is unacceptable in any yoga community, but prevalent among many Bikram instructor who think the swagger of their “master guru” is an imperative teaching style. I’ve been involved in adult learning for a long time, with some cutting edge techniques, yet some of the pop-psychology and passive-aggression I’ve personally experienced in some studios waaaay transgress what I believe we are deserving of as fellow humans.

    I won’t tolerate it and I know Gabrielle definitely believes you can show firm leadership but NEVER be abusive.

    I would simply do my own thing and laugh at them. It’s YOUR practice and if it comes to it (and communication/feedback doesn’t work) then vote with your feet.

    Yes we might like a tough work-out in the hot yoga world, but no, we do not need to be embarrassed, singled out – or be subject to ANY type of violence in communication.

    Do let us know how you get on, or if you need any help!

    connie36
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    And, often, people are really either not working or aren’t prepared to suffer any discomfort whatsoever. My SIL is like that LOL. I’ve seen her yell at physiotherapists, doctors, nurses, fitness instructors, you name it. She can’t bear to be out of her comfort zone for even a second and is quite “forward” in demanding that things cater to her. LOL!

    Haha – I can totally relate to this. My mother had to go to some physical therapy for her shoulder. Now, I’ve been to PLENTY of physical therapy and been brought to tears on numerous occasions from it, so I know it’s not easy. But she insisted that she not only couldn’t do physical therapy, but she thinks she has some genetic oddity that prevents her from being able to lift weights or do any serious exercise at all. “You don’t understand, when I lift weights, my muscles get sore the next day!” [em]No, really? [/em] My sister also follows along with this, insisting that she has asthma. “Since when? Have you seen a doctor?”, I asked? “Well no, (after years of no physical activity) I tried to go for a run. And my lungs BURNED. Obviously I have asthma and should not ever run again.” Sigh. No amount of discussion (or tales of friends of mine who have asthma but manage to run marathons) will convince them that this discomfort they are describing is something that everyone goes through, especially if they are starting a new workout program when they are out of shape.

    I can only imagine the two of them in hot yoga. The teacher would be the one complaining of being yelled at.

    scoob-jen
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    I really appreciate all the feedback on my post. I am scheduling a one on one with the instructor that I really like at the new studio and I am going to discuss my thoughts with her.The “boot camp” style is not the preferred method in my opinion. Maybe it wouldn’t bother me so much if I didn’t have something to compare it with. The studio I started with was so completely opposite in their approach that I am still adjusting to this new style. Giving up on it is not an option because I have fallen in love with the practice.:-) I do not mind some pushing but instructors that do not respect each student as an individual really get to me. I am paying a good amount of money for this experience and have expectations for how I feel when I leave each class. For the first three weeks I was on a natural high because of the experience I was having. Now I am almost pissed off at the end of class because of the negative energy swirling around. I am going to do my best to stay true to what I am feeling, do the postures to the best of my ability and block out any negative vibes that may try to creep into my practice. I am going today and know that my favorite instructor will be teaching, I am very excited to go.:lol: Namaste

    connie36
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    Hopefully that will correct it! They should be able to make corrections, give encouragement and stop distractions without creating a negative atmosphere.

    Anonymous
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    Yay! And in all seriousness, this might be a one or two instructor anomaly that the owner isn’t aware of. I know at our studio, our owner depends on feedback about instructors and has had to tell one of them to back off…so it wouldn’t hurt to talk to the owner. And in general terms, as in “you know, in X’s class I really felt this weird energy, because X was kind of, well, harsh? with respect the class…I’m new here and don’t know how to take it, is this usual?”
    The owner might say “well this is how we do it”, in which case you have your answer. Or the owner might say “oh, I’ll look into it”, or “oh, instructor X is filling in for us and has a different philosophy, I’ll talk to X and sort it out”. You never know.
    🙂

    tofgitc
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    I find this thread fascinating. I’ve only experienced one Bikram studio (have been going there for almost a year) but the instructors are the most caring, patient, understanding people I’ve ever met. When I started last March, I weighed well over 300 pounds, and because of the gentle, kind encouragement of their staff, I’ve lost almost a hundred pounds and my doctor has taken me off all three of my blood pressure medicines. I feel better than I have in decades, and my life has probably been extended by 25 years. None of this would have been possible had I encountered the kind of drill sergeant tactics some of you describe — I simply would not have tolerated it. What I found instead was a staff that wanted me to succeed and did everything they could to make sure I did. And I owe them all a debt of gratitude that I can hardly express.

    Now, I do admit that there is one instructor I refer to as “Sergeant (name withheld to prevent retaliation)” … but it’s meant in a kind way: I’ve told her that when some instructors say “if you fall out of the posture, get back in,” it sounds like a suggestion. When she says it, it has the effect of a drill sergeant saying it.

    But I digress.

    All I really wanted to say is that there are studios that treat their students with respect. I sincerely hope you find a studio like that — or better yet, change that one, by communicating your concerns to the owners, frankly and honestly. Maybe you’ll find a sympathetic ear.

    Stefan
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    I prefer to do my Bikram Yoga at home. Not only is it far too a studio, but I get more into my own flow. After all, Yogis did do thier Yoga alone…

    Doing it alone it does take shorter time as Bikram writes in his book. It takes around 1 hour – 1 hour 10 min.

    I can’t heat my livingtoom up too much, but put a heater behind me so it gets a bit warmer.

    I also beleive in the Ayurvedic “No pain, most gain”, and what Maharishi Mahesh Yogi said: “Do less, accomlish more, do nothing accomplish everything”. But for that it takes Unity Counciosness.

    I do the TM-Sidhiprogram, and Bikram Yoga really helps making the program deeper, and I can sit more upright with a good posture for an extended time without discomfort.

    Bit for the no pain… well, it it sa bit painful with the yoga as I am having a herniated disc, but it is getting better.

    icart
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    Strangely, I’m going through the opposite experience. I practiced at a small studio for 5 years where the 2 instructors made it a point to learn your name and used it to provide corrections and encouragement. I always felt challenged.

    I’ve moved to another state and am in the first month in the new, much larger studio. It’s not the same, and I miss the rigor of my old studio. In the new studio, students bring their things into the room and put them near their mat (backpack, purse, you name it). There is a lot of off-task behavior, students going into and out of postures at their own rate, instructors who just recite the dialog without correcting students, etc. I’ve practiced for too long to let the behavior of others impact my practice, so I’m taking classes from various teachers figuring out which ones provide the experience I need.

    Something one of the instructors said at my old studio really made me understand her take on issuing corrections. She couldn’t possibly correct every off-task behavior or tell you the right way to perform the posture while saying the dialog. She issued her corrections to those students who she thought were ready to hear them. Why waste her breath telling the same person the same thing day in and day out if he/she never applied the correction? A fellow practitioner was feeling picked on as that instructor was giving her a lot of attention in a class. I told her that the instructor probably saw/felt that she was ready to hear the corrections. That totally changed how that practitioner was receiving the feedback.

    Corrections are in the ear of the practitioner? 🙂

    Robert Scanlon (Webmaster)
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    Hi icart – that’s well said! I remember my first year of practice after class one day I said to Gabrielle “That’s great what they say in Rabbit now isn’t it? – It really helped me get that today!”

    She said, “Darling, they’ve ALWAYS said that …”

    Ooops.

    And the simple recitation of a preprogrammed “dialog” does not a yoga teacher make (it’s insulting actually). May as well put on a CD. Even then, if the “standard” dialog is used, there are not only very ungrammatical phrases, there are also instructions that are impossible to follow.

    But if you are experienced enough, you can make your own class from it.

    We make a point of giving everyone some feedback during class – by name – and not always a “correction” – could be simple noticing of something specific that is working well for them. It’s true you couldn’t correct everything – that’s why a private class can take 3 hours with just one student … there’s a lot of things one individual can likely improve or adjust!

    The good thing is with typical two set sequences such as Bikram etc, (and sometimes with two sides to practice) there is plenty of opportunity to say something DIFFERENT to the whole class for each pose or side. Something that the “dialog and only the dialog” followers seem not to want to embrace, which I think is a shame for our community and regularly causes a split and unnecessary defensiveness.

    We need more people to make a case for quality instruction – in particular with teacher training – so that it’s easier for instructors to expand their skill-set in this way.

    Robert

    Gabrielle (The Hot Yoga Doctor)
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    Hi icart

    Something one of the instructors said at my old studio really made me understand her take on issuing corrections. She couldn’t possibly correct every off-task behavior or tell you the right way to perform the posture while saying the dialog. She issued her corrections to those students who she thought were ready to hear them. Why waste her breath telling the same person the same thing day in and day out if he/she never applied the correction? …

    Corrections are in the ear of the practitioner? 🙂

    It’s interesting what you say about your teacher’s stance on the subject. The trick is in laying out the studio expectations to start with. There would be a lot less ‘off-task’ behaviour if the studio had implicit and even unspoken ideals about the way the yoga is practised. You yourself have been somewhere where bags and phones didn’t come into the room. I can guarantee you that you rarely if never heard those things being spoken about. But still nobody brings them in.

    Some studios have loads of people who drink all the time and others that wipe sweat. I have theories, directions and explanations for how to gently and kindly (and even almost without mentioning the ‘transgressions’) have people create the right habits from their first classes. (It’s all learn-able, and we’re teaching it at my teacher training program.)

    The same goes for corrections too! There is an art in delivering them in a way that that ‘slow learning student’ will respond. As a teacher I assume that people are there because they want to do it correctly. I would never assume that I couldn’t tell the class something because I deemed them ‘not ready’. Solid practice comes from solid instruction, every class and more importantly the ability of the teacher to notice and correct so that everyone stays safe.

    Your quote about corrections is superb because it reflects what you and Robert suggest which is, you hear what you’re ready to hear and respond to. The teacher has to lay the groundwork so you CAN hear the right stuff. It’s complex. It’s not just in the hope that ‘one day they’ll get it’.

    I hope your experience improves at your current studio. 🙂 Even though you’re experienced and you’re not fazed by the distractions of others, it really is lovely to have a disciplined practice and environment. Still, as I type that, I realise that you will gain so much from this new place too!!!

    Namaste
    Gabrielle 🙂

    icart
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    I think this radical change will be great for my practice. Aside from the dialog, almost everything is different (the humidity – I moved from Orlando to San Francisco, the floor – I went from carpet to a squishy floor, the discipline of the practitioners, the rigor of the instructors). I am definitely learning a lot about myself and my ability to focus. Because the humidity is different, I’m learning to practice without being as sweaty. Eagle pose is quite different when your arms aren’t dripping with sweat.

    Scoob-jen, did you have your time with the instructor? I’m curious about her feedback.

    scoob-jen
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    Hi icart,
    I have not been able to meet one on one yet with my favorite instructor.
    I have been going to class every other day and have had a variety of instructors. So far it seems to be a good mix. There are still the hard core ones but i have also had a few that are more the traditional yoga personailty. I am getting much better at filtering out the comments that annoy me. I have even started to improve on many of the poses. I can now touch my forhead when doing Standing Separate Leg Stretching pose. woo- hoo. The balancing poses are still challenging for me. I am slightly bow legged so my locked knee is always a little bent. This makes me feel off balanced. Does anyone else have this issue?

    icart
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    I am glad to hear that you have been sticking with it and are able to filter out the annoyances!

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