Heat reaction

Heat reaction2009-01-30T07:17:41+00:00
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  • davidf15x
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    After one year of once a week practice, now that I am twice a week, I have developed a consistent reaction to the heat.

    Even days after class, parts of my body are over-heated due to the experience of the class. These parts include my testicles, my eyes and sometimes a heat rash on my upper chest.

    Ice wraps and ibuprofen help only a little. Any suggestions?

    fraseram
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    is the reaction a rash? a general feeling of heat? can u give more?
    I know when I go more I get a small rash due to clogged sweat glands. A toning/cooling solution and not ‘rubbing dry’ helps me and it goes away after a few classes of the increased schedual

    davidf15x
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    It is too much heat. I thank Gabrielle for posting the warning on the temperature and it seems to me Bikram needs to back off from his 105 degree standard. It is simply not necessary and a class must reflect a general safety standard which reflects the fact that some people are very sensitive–even if some of the regulars simply love the heat.

    LoveTheHeat
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    maybe your body needs to get used to this.

    I think the temp needs to go UP ! to around 109F

    What does your studio owner/instructor say about this reaction?

    robf
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    I’ve been going regularly for 2-3 times a week for about 3 months now and I find that the hotter classes may be more difficult but they do seem to give noticably better results – I do make sure that I am well hydrated before and after though .

    davidf15x
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    Love the heat–there are many people who do not love the heat. I have been doing this for about two years–I am used to it. The more I do it, the more I am becoming sensitive to it.

    I need to do elaborate things to avoid the heat, chiefly, finding a cool place in the room, normally near the windows. Further, I pour a quarter a bottle of water over my head occasionally right at the transition to the floor series–that helps a bit.

    I always get better results in the cooler class since I can concentrate on the postures instead of fighting the heat all the time. It is easy to say ignore it. I do. It affects me anyway and not positively.

    Gabrielle (The Hot Yoga Doctor)
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    Hi everyone

    Just wanting to ask a few questions:

    @LoveTheHeat Do you have anything that would give us a reason why the heat should go up? Why 109F? I am genuinely curious and posing this without judgment of your opinion. I would like to know on what you are basing your opinion.

    @robf Can you tell me whether you are noticing that the temperature is hotter sometimes by the way you feel, or whether you have logged the actual ambient temperature on those days where it feels hotter?

    Why do I ask this? Because my experience tells me that:
    a) the temperature reading on the thermometer is NOT everything
    b) most people don’t know what the real temperature in the room is at any one time.
    c) if your studio has only one thermometer in the room it is not giving an accurate reading, only the reading in one spot.
    d) humidity levels have a HUGE effect on your PERCEPTION of the heat. For example a class run at low humidity (of say 25%) with a high temperature of 110F doesn’t feel as hot as a class run at 70% humidity with a lower temperature of 100F. We worked this out when we started monitoring our own studio years ago. Then we discovered that just like the wind chill factor there is a heat index to explain this phenomenon. Heat index considers the effect that changing temperature (above 80F) and humidity have on our perception of temperature.

    @davidf15x I would be remiss if I didn’t just confirm with you that you have ruled out other causes (even though you are sure it is the heat). Other things to consider are a change in washing detergent, a reaction to something in the room or something you are in contact with such as a microbe, the possibility that there has been a change in cleaning materials used or change in formulation of cleaning materials used, a soap, a body wash. Something could be activated by the heat. If you feel that this is possible then you could change something in your hot yoga equation. Robert has recently had to change deodorant because he has now become sensitive to the one he has used for several years.

    It is possible that one’s body becomes sensitive to something over time, just as it is possible that one’s body’s reaction is attenuated over time (your body gets used to something or that thing becomes less effective).

    For anyone else who wants to read a debate on the heat you could go here: How Hot Should Hot Yoga Be?. And a very interesting article by Lesley Funk which is called Hot Yoga: Physiological concerns while exercising in the heat

    Namaste
    Gabrielle 🙂

    davidf15x
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    Thanks so much for the reply, Gabrielle and I agree that “it is possible to become sensitive to something over time.” This is why I once loved green tea and after a couple of years–it now gives me horrible diarrhea. Ditto with another favored beverage–fine at the beginning and then real intolerance. And I applaud you again for including the article by Leslie Funk. With my first experience with Bikram yoga, I worried that someone somewhere would sue. So why not a slightly lower standard of say 102?

    One studio I attend has clear zones and my joke with the owner is that one could do well to get a “weather report.” One space in the middle is uncommonly hot, one side tends to be more humid, the window spot is good in the winter months but hot during the day in the summer–for a humid day, it is best in the back, etc.

    Would you encourage or discourage my “shower break” between floor and standing series?

    David

    robf
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    Hi Gabrielle – I agree that it would be the humidity factor rather than the temperature – it is amazing though because I am sure that it takes up to 30 minutes after the end of the last posture before I feel that I am back to a normal body temperature once our class has finished .

    angelpjela
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    Hi. I was having a problem with a red, stinging rash after every class. I ruled out towel friction, detergent, and soap as the problem. Then another yogini with background in nutrition suggested that I stop eating refined sugar–said that sometimes the heat/sweating are a problem with people who eat a lot of sugar. I have nearly eliminated sugar from my diet, and I no longer have any rash problem at all. (I use honey, maple syrup, etc. in small amounts.)

    Robert Scanlon (Webmaster)
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    Very interesting – especially about the sugar!

    David we’d love to know how you are going – have you managed to beat the rash?

    On another note about the “shower break” – I must admit to have done this plenty of times in the past, mostly when I was practicing at a studio (not ours) that was very crowded and had the temperature too high (in my view).

    I ended up developing a poor habit of needing to leave the room (usually between standing & floor) and have a splash of water over me in the bathroom.

    I couldn’t seem to shake the habit, though I am generally very persistent and focused, until it just went away by itself.

    I suspect three forces were at play:

    1. The room WAS too hot for the conditions* (I mean you should have seen all the red faces after class – not necessary and not what “hot” yoga is about).

    2. I was REALLY into “going hard” in my yoga – front row, plenty of ego in trying to get the best pose. (Now I don’t care, as long as I practice regularly!)

    3. I was very stressed over a multiple month period during this time with unrelated business & financial issues and I’m pretty sure this was affecting my practice. (Ability to breathe; stay calm etc)

    * By “too hot for the conditions” I mean the combination of temperature; humidity; air circulation and radiant heat from other students. It’s comparatively easy to practice at 43C/110F if you are practicing solo in a spacious room with 80% humidity in a small, badly ventilated and crowded room? A recipe for a disaster and not necessary IMHO!

    So – should you dowse yourself with cold water? I personally think you should look to minimize this – it IS a shock to the body which is not great for any workout. But at the moment it IS getting you through class while you work out what the issue is … and since I’ve had to do the same … I can empathize!

    As I said, I’d love to know how you are progressing!

    Robert

    davidf15x
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    I am just back from a class and it was pretty easy with the heat. The issue is related to the studio, my position in the room, the instructor’s decision on how to run the heat, the humidity, etc.

    My complaint here is that as Bikram yoga continues to expand–these details need to be monitored and perhaps even standardized. My initial reactions still stand: if it is a humid day and the studio has little ventilation, specific individuals can suffer bad reactions. I was at a class when a beautiful young woman fainted during the initial breathing–I have seen people having to walk out of class because of the heat, I have seen people slip on hardwood floors and people like myself often turn very red as a reaction to bad conditions.

    I am convinced that this form of yoga is a very healthy thing to do, in fact I am sold on it in a big way. This is why I also want to protect it from potential lawsuits and trouble. Too many newbies with no background or adequate preparation show up for classes all over the world right now with varying classroom situations and I think this screams for regulation on the home front. As an analogy, one can be sure that every McDonald’s hamburger is cooked precisely the same amount of time in the same kind of unit so that a chance of an undercooked or overcooked burger is almost a scientific impossibility. One bad burger could cost McDonald’s a boatload of money. Similarly, when I saw the cute 20 year old young woman walk out over-heated in a studio here in Washington, DC–it takes little imagination to see that she could yap to her big-wig lawyer Dad about the experience.

    Sorry to say that the heat in the room in a typical Bikram studio throughout the US is a varying experience. Some studios are uniformly “cool”–some studios vary widely and some studios can be burned by macho instructors that push the heat to a higher level than the norm.

    Now, more controversy. Lucas has been given a link on this site to take more than a few controversial stands. First, a radical diet. Then a supplement sponsored by apparently no medical authority. But also a crucial statement concerning the Bikram practice and that is that one develops flexibility outside of the yoga classroom doing alternative yoga stretches and that Bikram is primarily where one demonstrates the improvements made outside of class. This goes against the party line of the Bikram studio which tells people to keep coming to class to break past the wall of inflexibility.
    Bikram himself has been able to do something one might think impossible–patenting a series of yoga postures that are hundreds of years old and in the public domain and then creating a fortune with his world-wide empire of Bikram studios owned and run by people only he has trained (at a cost to the participants.) Now we have here another great businesswoman, Gabrielle who is selling videos and instruction off of Bikram’s success (I have no problem with it and I think this is an excellent website and Gabrielle is fully entitled) and then there is Lucas with his emerging business of an herbal supplement and more that targets the clientele established by Bikram.

    I feel this is an inevitable part of the growth and success of yoga.

    I welcome any comments.

    Robert Scanlon (Webmaster)
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    Hi David – thanks for reporting back! Seems as if the heat control in that particular studio is the issue. Generally in a well-maintained hot yoga studio, no-one should be leaving and certainly not fainting!

    Just a point to clear up:

    Bikram himself has been able to do something one might think impossible—patenting a series of yoga postures that are hundreds of years old and in the public domain

    This is not the case.

    Like any publisher (including Lucas, Gabrielle) they are entitled to copyright ownership for their materials and to trademark unique terms. Therefore Bikram’s books are copyrighted to him, as would be pictures of poses used in the books, but there is no patent in force.

    The more generic hot yoga movement is expanding as you correctly point out – a Google Trends search supports this.

    I’m not sure what points you are making in respect to Lucas’ materials – his “at-home stretches” are actually a very useful complement to a regular hot yoga practice (hence why we have it available here) – the Bikram class tends not to be as effective at deep hip opening as it could be for example, to supplementing this is a good idea, if hip opening is your goal!

    Equally, Lucas’ YogaBodyNaturals we (and many others) have anecdotally found helpful … whether you choose to take something that is not FDA approved is up to you of course. Most of the vegetables I eat are not FDA approved as far as I know 😉

    Anyway – as we are waaaay off topic to “Heat reaction” I’ll see if we get other comments and split the thread.

    Thanks!

    Robert

    [The Bikram Yoga® referred to by many students and teachers in this forum is a registered trademark of Bikram Choudhury.]

    davidf15x
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    Ok, Robert thanks for your reply and I am enjoying this web blog and Gabrielle is loaded with good will. I invite you to re-read my last posting and I will go over it again.

    There is a problem with a lack of clear direction regarding the heat index in many Bikram yoga studios which call out for standardization. This is contrasted by the fact that there is a standardized script and a standardized level of control over the concept of a hot yoga studio with postures that are in the public domain.

    Regarding the problem with the heat, I am not speaking of one studio but an industry wide problem. 1) Studios have widely varying systems: some are forced air, some have high ceilings and some low and many with no humidity control, some have heat panels from the ceiling, I know of at least one with floor heat, some have portable heating units positioned on the floor meaning it is much hotter if you are close to a unit, some have units mounted up in the air meaning there are consistent hot spots. 2) Studios employ instructors with varying concern about the heat. I have encountered some with a very cavalier attitude about it but beyond the gung-ho make ’em sweat instructors, there is simply normal variation. For example, at one studio in Florida–back to back 9:00 Am visits with a big thermometer post nearby, one instructor started it at 105 and let it cool to about 102 through the class. Another started at 106 and let it run to 107 and let it back to 104 only towards the very end. Some turn on fans and open doors, others do nothing. 3) Instructors oftentimes fail to monitor student reactions. Some are very sensitive, others do not notice at all. At one humid class, almost 2/3rds of the class was down on their mats, three people were forced to walk out and when the instructor barked at one student leaving “why are YOU leaving..you are a regular?”–*still* nothing was done about the the fact the room was way too hot and way too humid. This was one extreme event. But during hot classes less extreme, some instructors will tell us to tough it out and keep mental focus, admitting “I know it is hot” and this is unnecessary and not a positive thing to do. It is a problem and it does not matter if an allegation of excessive heat is there only 5-10% of the time. I am willing to make the complaint if there is a problem only 2-5% of the time.

    My solution: 1) install a firm requirement regarding ceiling height in all classrooms. 2) keep firm limits on heat and humidity *no matter what* 3) Tell gung ho instructors to notice if there are more than 5% (or 3 people whichever is greater)of the class sitting out and adjust the heat, open a door, turn on a fan, etc.

    Lastly, regarding Lucas, I really appreciate some of his insights. His diet suggestions are radical and although I do not want any supplement to be FDA approved–I want it to have some medical and scientific backing. What studies are there about MSM?

    Robert Scanlon (Webmaster)
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    Thanks David – I totally agree with you about the standards and your suggestions are good ones. We’ve never been fans of the “make it hard, make it hurt” style and in our last studio we had a very specialized heating system that took care of the heat gradients and was professionally calibrated. It worked well and never required a single adjustment over several years. So we know it is possible.

    The likelihood of a standard being recommended or even adopted is slim, in my view (given the differences in climates; available equipment etc). I think all that students can do is vote with their feet and complain loudly – especially if there are obvious patterns such as a ton of people being affected on a regular basis.

    (Incidentally, for any studios/teachers reading this thread with interest, we’ve had a ton of heating specifications help from Chad at http://www.hotyogastudiodesign.com/)

    Re: Lucas – I’ll ask him to come by and comment about the studies – again for others reading this and wondering what we are talking about, see the YogaBodyNaturals site here:

    http://www.yogabodynaturals.com/

    Lucas Rockwood (YOGABODY)
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    Hi David,

    Thanks for your comments above.

    Vitamins and minerals are natural, so you can’t patent them,
    which means no big pharmaceutical companies fund massive lab
    tests for calcium or sulfur (MSM is essentially an organic form
    of sulfur). What I find interesting is that people DO trust
    medical “studies” of synthetic drugs when the whole purpose of
    the study is to, well, sell the drug.

    I don’t like big business or big pharmaceuticals, and to be
    perfectly honest, the FDA does a piss-poor job half the time.
    Of course I follow US FDA guidelines for processing and
    packaging, labeling, etc. .. and all that stuff is fine and good…
    but I don’t even want to start listing the whacky/dangerous
    stuff that’s been approved in the past.

    Enough ranting:) I appreciate your thoughts, and feel free
    to write or call me directly if you like. I’m a busy guy,
    but I’m easy to find.

    Thanks,

    Lucas
    YOGABODY

    Lucas Rockwood (YOGABODY)
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    One more thing:

    “… I don’t understand why asking people to eat a well-balanced vegetarian diet is considered drastic, while it is medically conservative to cut people open and put them on cholesterol-lowering drugs for the rest of their lives.” Dean Ornish, M.D. (Clinical Professor of Medicine at the UCSF)

    davidf15x
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    Thanks for the reply, Lucas. Alas, I don’t know how to e-mail you personally so I will reply here. Thank you so much for your link which describes the yoga stretches as a compliment to Bikram yoga. However, I would challenge you to say more about your radical diet and your advertised supplement.

    First, regarding MSM, we are speaking of data, studies, medical opinion or scientific evidence to document that the dosage of MSM is both safe and effective. The fact that it is natural and a sulpher compound does not mean that it is without potential controversy since after all, one can consume any number of natural foods or compounds at risk. As for healing, relieving pain and allowing for added flexibility–how might MSM compare with glucosamine and chrondoydrin or other alternatives? If MSM is such a wondrous innovation–please tell us where else it is used and who else recommends it. Further, please concede that the fact that some people like myself are unusually stiff while others are normally and naturally flexible is a natural variation and nothing to do with whether one person takes your MSM supplement and another does not.

    Second, your dietary recommendations are radical and I say this in context to the fact that your target audience is already very health and calorie conscious, less prone to eat lots of fat, sugar, meat and even diary. I submit to you that a normal diet by your readers is already pretty good and you have a sure burden to convince people that added flexibility can be garnered from becoming completely free of things like rice, fish and eggs. Your examples are straw-man kind of attacks and the man who has a medical condition of high cholesterol may need something radical while the vast majority of us are fine.

    You have me convinced that those extra yoga stretches will help me gain added flexibility. But you need to work harder to explain that a person like myself would benefit greatly from dropping all fish (2-3 times a week), chicken (once or twice a week), eggs (I have perhaps two eggs a week–max), potatoes, rice and bread. I surely eat a good amount of fruits and vegetables and I would venture to say that the vast majority of Bikram yoga students do as well. Therefore, I ask again, is there really a measurable benefit to go radical vegan as opposed to vegan “plus?”

    I see that you care greatly about what you preach and I hope that you can be a bit more convincing. In any case, I have learned from you and I hope I can finally gain greater flexibility in my body.

    Lucas Rockwood (YOGABODY)
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    Hi David,

    Thanks for writing. While I appreciate your encouragement
    to “work harder to explain that a person would benefit…”

    Sorry, but my proselytizing days are over… haha.

    If you’d met me 5 years ago I would have talked your ear off
    about why I’ve found a plant-based diet makes sense, but I’ve
    gotten a bit older, and now I just assume it’s common knowledge.
    Even if it’s not.

    But yeah, do whatever makes you feel good. Different things work
    for different people. I know guys eat pigs blood salads and say
    it gives them energy. Go figure.

    I’m just some skinny guy on the internet;)

    All the best,

    Lucas
    YOGABODY

    Lubi
    Participant
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    I completely agree with David and his heat regulation comments.
    At our studio some instructors open doors frequently during class which makes it easier and much more comfortable for people in the back, but people in front of the door find this too cold. Now people that are directly behind the door get no benefit at all. By the time fresh air reaches them, it’s not fresh anymore.

    There’s also a huge difference in air quality if you are doing first class in the morning or the last one in the evening.

    For people lying down – this might not be a heat cause direct. I had to once sit through 30% of the class purely because of being dehydrated (I didn’t drink enough water beforehand) and for bad diet. (had potato salad and schnitzel on Monday, Coconut chicken on Tuesday and hot-dog on Wednesday). By Wednesday I was exhausted.

    So it’s not all due the heat, but I personally prefer to do yoga in slighty cooler temperatures.

    And I also perform better if I don’t have any meat before yoga (I am a meat eater).

    Namaste
    Lubi

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