help for a newbie to this pose!

help for a newbie to this pose!2009-05-29T19:01:49+00:00
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  • kirstenmd
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    I am very new to hot yoga and finding the instructions for this pose both confusing and distracting. The teacher says that the forehead MUST be on the floor and the arms MUST be locked out in prayer. As yet if I get my forehead to the floor I am not able to lock my arms out (I have exceptionally tight shoulders with poor rotation and short neck tendon) I can’t get anyone to tell me which of these it is most important to focus on as I try to ease into the pose. Trying to both is playing havoc with my concentration, with most poses it is quite obvious and well explained which bit to focus on and get right first before moving on, but I would appreciate a bit more guidance on this one. Thanks!

    outward1
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    Hi Kirstenmd,
    Re: Half Tortoise

    This pose causes a lot of confusion for people, I agree that the dialogue causes some of this.

    When you push Bikram on what is most important…to get your forehead down or to lock the arms?
    He answers with a question, Who do you love more, your son or your daughter?

    What he is saying is that ideally, he wants both. The forehead down and the arms locked out.
    Beause of various body issues (tightness, injuries etc.) and unique conditions we are left with prioritizing details or layering.
    With tight shoulders, latissimus dorsi and neck muscles you may only be able to get the forehead to the floor without the arms locked. I have some students whose foreheads do not touch the floor yet, so you are ahead of the game.:)
    While the forehead is on the floor, I encourage students to work on the shoulder/arm work as best they can. The beginning layers of the posture may be quite comforting, but when the arm/shoulder work is brought in it can be very intense.

    So begin to work the arms while you are in the pose. Begin by nudging the hands in prayer forward towards the mirror to the level you can, if the forehead starts to pop up then stay where you are and breathe. Feel the stretch through the arms and shoulders.
    You will, layer by layer, begin to open the upper body (back, neck and shoulders) and will be able to work the arms into a locked position. And then, after your arms are locked, triceps engaged, you can start on the work through the more advanced corrections through the hands wrists and fingers.

    We need to be patient with the body. Oftentimes as teachers we describe the final expression of the pose to tell you where you are going, it may not happen today, work all the levels as best you can.

    How about that for layering, but not having to choose whether I love my son or daughter best. 😉

    Hope this helps.
    Outward1

    kirstenmd
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    thank you so much. This is very reassuring. It is what I instinctively felt but it is really good to hear it from an experienced teacher. I can now focus better on this practice I am sure with the intention of eventually bringing both sections into line. Sincere thanks for taking the time!

    Gabrielle (The Hot Yoga Doctor)
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    Hi Kirsten and outward1

    Great to see that resolved! Kirsten, if I can add that for any arms over head exercise for you, take those principles you learned in Half Moon (referred to in your other post) and apply them. Any place where you feel tension is worthy of your immediate attention (despite any instruction you may hear which as outward1 says should be heard by you as applying to others!). Look after this single element and your whole life will change. Sounds dramatic – but this is the place where most people express their tension, in their head, neck and shoulders!

    Namaste
    Gabrielle 🙂

    Robert Scanlon (Webmaster)
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    PS Kirsten – your notification emails are bouncing back to me (“account does not exist”) so you may not realize that people here are answering your questions! Can you pls check your profile & email settings – or email your new email address to us here and I’ll fix it for you!

    Robert Scanlon (Webmaster)
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    OK Kirsten I found your correct email address in our customer database, all fixed now, you should receive notifications (as well as Gabrielle’s technique emails!).

    Robert

    kirstenmd
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    Thank you Gabrielle.

    I do have a slight twist in the lower spine due to an accident years ago. which mainly affects my pelvis. My main intention at the moment is to keep my shoulders down and I work a lot on this outside of class also squeezing the shoulder blades back which helps a bit. What is amazing compared to other yoga practices I have done is how quickly this one makes you feel how everything in your body is connected and affects everything else. My intention for today is to feel stretched not tense in class. THANKS!

    Kirsten

    kirstenmd
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    Thanks again Outward1. This really helped a lot and actually by relaxing more and not worrying about the arms, I was able to almost get them together and straight after I had the forehead down right! Plus the pose felt a lot more comfortable and with your and Gabrielle’s advice my shoulders were relaxed after class for the first time. Thank you so much!

    outward1
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    I am so happy to hear that this worked for you. It sounds like once you took the pressure off yourself to achieve the goals/corrections you were able to go there with out strain. You did a great job meeting your intention, what a wonderful thing to give yourself on so many levels.
    I look forward to hearing more of your progress.
    Outward1

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