Hints on how to get a good strong Standing Leg?

Hints on how to get a good strong Standing Leg?2008-12-26T22:22:03+00:00
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  • newbeginnings
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    So glad to have Found you! I am 54, about 40 lbs overweight) beginner (day 78 of my 90 day challenge!) and am having a heck of a time getting a good strong standing leg. Some instructors say to lock the leg, some say to make sure that the leg is not locked. I think they are meaning not hyper-extended? Sometimes my leg feels solid – other times I’m just not sure I’ve got it right – especially if I try and bend over to reach for my foot. I am nowhere close to being able to grab my foot. I read you reply to someone in this forum suggesting that they grab the knee. Sounds like excellent advice – can’t wait to try it. But what should I be concentrating on to make sure my standing leg is correctly strong? Thank you!!!

    fraseram
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    for me it is about my foot placement and making sure my weight is even over my hips and legs (and strong) I exhale to make myself feel
    heavy and then on the inhale lift my leg to grab my foot. your right about them wanting your leg “locked” vs hyper extended … It means flexing the quads in the front of your leg and having a good engaged leg through out..
    as for grabbing the knee…. gabrielle knows more than me and will give you the right advice but….. heres an idea …
    you could also try standing straight and just lifting one leg as high as you can
    good luck

    Gabrielle (The Hot Yoga Doctor)
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    Hello Deb

    Firstly I want to acknowledge your mammoth effort. 78 days in a 90 day challenge! That is fantastic.

    It seems that you are on the right track with your thinking and your approach. Amy has given you some sound advice.

    Stand and feel a solidness across the hips and pelvic girdle in your standing position, before you lift your leg. Always use more then just the joints to hold your body firmly in space: use your muscles and connective tissues too and your core will more positively support you. In this way you can maintain a locked out leg that is ALSO in good alignment. By this I mean that you avoid the sinking into the standing leg, and falling inward toward your arch.

    On a practical in-studio level: watch your standing leg knee. It will help you in your steadfast commitment to lock and relock the knee (and when your muscles tire). You will see when your foot is fanning out to the side, when your arch collapses in (and causes a whole stack of alignment issues), when your knee or hips need adjusting.

    Get back to us when you have tried the knee hold. It is rather more as if you are hanging your body from your knee. Let the full weight of your relaxed lifted leg straighten your arms.

    Amy’s idea of lifting your leg as high as you can, which although in principle is a good idea it would introduce too many things for you to focus on and become competent at when you are already struggling with simply locking your leg. And it would actually be harder than supporting it with some kind of hand hold or grip. Amy’s idea is great to test how strong your body is (your hip flexors, lower back, quadriceps etc). Let’s leave that for a while! 😉

    Namaste
    Gabrielle 🙂

    newbeginnings
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    Thank you so much for taking the time to get back to me and for being so Thorough in your answers! I feel like I’ve found an ally and can begin to enjoy those poses that have been so frustrating for me. I am off to my practice now, and will try your suggestions for both standing leg and pulling my leg up. Just FYI, I have been doing my best to have a strong standing leg while holding my other leg up at hip level for about 6 weeks now. I just wasn’t sure that I had the standing leg right, because when I start to bend over to work on getting close to grabbing my foot, it’s a real fight to keep my standing leg from bending and my lower back is really uncomfortable and I lose my balance. It’s almost like I am too tight through my lower back, glutes and hamstrings…everything keeps wanting to Spring Back to where it’s Used to Being! I am excited to try holding my non-standing leg up – I can feel the stretch in my hips and lower back just Thinking about it! Is it ok to hold it up higher than hip height? or should it be parallel to the floor? I’ll let you know how it goes — talk soon, deb

    Gabrielle (The Hot Yoga Doctor)
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    Hi Deb

    It is more simple than that. Interlock the fingers around the knee, let gravity take your relaxed leg down, and lift your chest and let your arms straighten with the traction between knee and shoulders and THEN of course, focus on locking your leg! :cheese:

    Namaste
    Gabrielle 🙂

    Rebecca
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    I’ve been curious about something for a long time but haven’t investigated it …

    In the locked-knee poses, I can usually do fine as long as I look at the floor under me, or at the floor just slightly ahead of me, or even at the bottom of the front mirror … but the instructors are always saying “Look at your knee in the mirror” and the moment I do, I fall out!

    Why is this?

    fraseram
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    I used to do the same thing!! I found for me it was because 1. I shifted my gaze from the floor the my knee 2. even if I started w/ my gaze on my knee my focus would be on LOOKING rather than being FOCUSED. w/ practice though I was able to look in the mirror and hold balance (even if I had to look like a flying monkey in the process)
    go ahead … challenge yourself! try the first set looking where you feel comfortable then on the second start w/ your gaze in the mirror and go for it!.

    Rebecca
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    😆 Thanks! This yoga is all about semantics and mental strength, ya know! (“Focusing’ versus “Looking”)!!! I know what you mean, but normal people would think we on this forum are nuts. %-P

    Sometimes I keep the balance by repeating in my head, “This is a mental thing. This is a mental thing,” and my body follows along much of the time.

    No wonder we love it. 😆

    Gabrielle (The Hot Yoga Doctor)
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    Hi Amy and Rebecca

    Actually you are right – semantics is a key part of this yoga. Actually I was writing something on this for an email you will soon receive. Knowing what is being asked of you so that you can get your aha moment is critical to getting the most out of your practice.

    So here are some practical reasons why looking on the floor doesn’t work as well.

    Balance is always better if you can manage to look forward and somewhere higher on the body. It definitely gets complicated with your inability to look at yourself for whatever reason. 😉

    When you look on the floor too close to your foot or mat (depending on the pose) you have a much greater potential to lose many of the key aspects of the pose. In Standing Head to Knee (the subject of this thread) the following list is what I am more likely to see if the student is looking down:

    *The foot starting to point downward and maybe even the thumbs climbing on top of the foot
    *The knee either dropping below hip height or raising above (depending on the grip around the foot)
    *The standing leg unlocking
    *The foot moving closer to the body (not maintaining the 90 degree angle around the knee)
    *Less often the foot moves closer to the mirror when the eyes go down.

    That’s just a few effects. There are plenty of others, believe me (which are illustrated in the Hot Yoga MasterClass). So really, when you can look somewhere like the knee or higher you have a much better chance of catching errors and correcting them. Hopefully you will be able to find a lot more physical AND mental focus. If you don’t climb that visual focus up again you have much less chance of breaking through this ‘issue’.

    Allow your eyes to soften and if you need to (to start anyway) say something like ‘lock the knee’ or ‘my leg is solid’ or ‘suck in your stomach’ or ‘thigh parallel’ or any number of other ways to distract your conscious mind from getting the better of you!!!!

    Namaste
    Gabrielle 🙂

    yogafan
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    since my hips are wide, i have a tendency to put more weight on the outside of my foot, even if i didn’t start the pose this way. i have noticed that if i cross midline with my lifted leg, i am better about keeping the weight on my entire foot/thigh (both inner and outer). these poses have really developed my hamstrings and i’m finding that the provided stretching is not enough. does anyone do extra stretching? if so, what poses?

    yogafan
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    anyone have any advice to my post above?

    Gabrielle (The Hot Yoga Doctor)
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    Hi yogafan

    can you please tell me whether you want advice about the pose? Your question seems to be about the extra stretching. What are you trying to stretch out specifically because that will help with any answers. Is it just hamstring stretches or the hips? The hips could be a worthy place of focus for you.

    As far as Standing Head to Knee is concerned, when you bring your lifted leg across the midline your weight falls more into your standing leg making it easier to balance. You may have heard that you can focus on pressing the ball of the foot into the ground (and your big toe) to even things out. You will wobble around as you find your balance. When you are learning balance the corrections from side to side and front to back are quite gross, and as your core becomes more stable and you learn better balance through muscle work, your corrections become finer. I would suggest lifting your leg and hip back into alignment and work on your balance again!

    Namaste
    Gabrielle 🙂

    yogafan
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    i have to bring my lifted leg across midline because otherwise i can’t balance my standing leg (all the weight remains on the outside of my standing leg- i can even see that the outer part of my calf is getting overly developed). i love this pose because my balance and hamstring strength have improved, but it has made my hamstrings very tight.

    hopefully, over time i will be able to keep my leg straight out. again, i have wide hips so this is relative. i even stand against my treadmill for support.

    another question i have about the pose is, are you supposed to clench your butt and tuck the pelvis in the standing leg? also, are you supposed to have your extended leg at or above hip level?

    thanks.

    yogafan
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    can anyone help me?

    Gabrielle (The Hot Yoga Doctor)
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    Hi yogafan

    You know the only way to learn balance is to um, learn balance. In short, the way out of this problem is to do yoga, put yourself in the right alignment and be prepared to fall out as you learn how to create the stability in your body. If you have to stand next to the wall it doesn’t matter. Do what it takes. Just rereading your post, I am wondering if you are supporting yourself on your treadmill. Does this mean that you are practicing exclusively at home. Please let me know.

    In my studio we always take a different approach. At the moment your focus is too wide (you are trying to do too many things at once before time). You are working on extending your leg prematurely, and in doing so you are putting your back at risk. My guess is that your hamstrings could be ‘complaining’ and tightening up in an effort to support you.

    So my advice to you is this: please do not extend your lifted leg AT ALL until you can safely and properly hold your lifted leg at 90 degrees in correct alignment for the entire 60 seconds. The second picture down in the pose gallery of Standing Head to Knee is the only position you should be practicing right now.

    Namaste
    Gabrielle 🙂

    aralg
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    I have been practicing yoga for about 7 yrs and Bikram 2 yrs, and have recently started teaching. Locking the knee has always been a challenge for me! I have hyper mobile joints and even if I strongly pull my kneecap/quads up, my knee hyper-extends. What I have found and seen in students with similar issues is that focusing in on a strong strong stomach is a must. This is THE first cue in the posture after all! If I don’t have a core connection everything just sort of splays out! Not just a strong stomach though but everything drawn in and lifted.

    I have started telling my students to pull their pubic bone up to their belly button (this strongly draws in lower belly and provides that important lift) then tuck the tail bone under (This provides stability). This can be hard to hold, just keep reinforcing it making it a first priority. These actions support the lower back. My back would hurt while I was in dandayamana janushirasana, now that I do this my back feels good! I focus solely on this and then lock my knee.

    Before, the top of my femur bone would just stick out in front of my hip even though I strongly contracted my quads making my knee go waaay back. This core action helps fix this as I get a lift, plus I do try to pull the top of my femur back as well.

    I suggest pulling the pubic bone toward the belly button, tucking the tailbone, as u contract quads imagine pulling the kneecap up towards the belly as well(this helps to keep the top of the femur from coming forward). This feels like one long strong line of energy/strength from the top of my head through my spine all the way through my hip, knee, ankle, foot. Plus, I have found I really need to press my heel and esp. the ball of my big toe in the floor for balance.

    After this my neck and shoulders feel relaxed as well.

    I have a strong balance and I am ready to lift my leg and kick my heel out. I tell my students that kicking out is secondary really to forming this strong foundation.

    This core action is wonderful for pranayama, backbending, the compression postures, and dandayamana janushirasana is ultimately a compression posture!

    I know in some body types this isn’t as essential(important though), but for those of us who tend to hyper extend it really is, I hope it helps!

    barbgaeth
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    So I have a question with the balancing poses and the locking the knee too! Hope you can help…
    I have noticed that my achilles tendons have been starting to really ache after Bikram – I practice four times a week. I realise that when I am trying to balance on one leg and lock the knee I am really pulling on the calf and tendons – what am I doing wrong? I also find that I can stand straight and lift my quad muscles up, but as soon as I go to bend forward to pick up the foot, I loose the lift and struggle to get it to lift again without standing back up (hope that makes snesee!!) Any help would be greatly appreciate. Thanks – Barb

    Gabrielle (The Hot Yoga Doctor)
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    Hello Barb

    An interesting dilemma. When you ask me about the balance on standing I am actually wondering a few things about other poses:

    >> Is this a symmetrical issue happening to both legs?
    >> There are other poses where technique could help open up what COULD be a tightness in this area. The tightness could be because of technique or a physiological one.
    >> Do you do the standard Bikram yoga hot yoga poses or a different set of poses?
    >> Is the instruction standard script?
    >> How flexible are you on a scale of 1-10? In Standing Sep Leg Intense Stretch, are your legs straight and locked out? And if they are, is your back straight or rounded?

    That’s enough for now so we can move together in the right direction

    Namaste
    Gabrielle 🙂

    barbgaeth
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    Hi Gabrielle – thanks for getting back to me. Since I last posted I have had to take a break from yoga as both of my Achilles tendons have become inflamed and very sore, especially first thing in the morning and straight after a yoga session.
    I have been doing the Bikram style, and the script is the one that they all say each time. What I have been told is that I have collapsed arches and so my tendons are hurting when I do any of the balancing poses. I think I am quite flexible. I can do the wide legged front stretch with both knees locked – (my forehead doesn’t touch the floor yet!!). I have been to a physio who has told be to do numerous calf raises to strengthen up my legs – the people at the studio just tell me to keep coming and work through it – taking it easy if I need to. What do you think??

    Gabrielle (The Hot Yoga Doctor)
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    Hi Barb

    I am glad you responded so quickly.

    I would love for you to go and see my video (free) Great Posture From The Ground Up. It may help with some balance issues and postural alignment in and outside of the yoga room and give you a couple of little exercises.

    Thanks for responding about the type of instruction. Now that I know that, would you go through those questions one by one and respond? Just copy and paste them all in and respond next to each one in turn, please.

    Once I know more I can respond with more focus.

    As for the advice of the studio. DON’T DO THAT. “Keep coming and work through it” is wrong. Your body is saying “OUCH, something is not right”. Would you keep walking on a broken leg? Hmmm. “Take it easy” is not instruction. I am very wary of such advice. In my experience the people who don’t know the answer will say “just work through it” and / or “take it easy”. Those who do will either have something specific for you to do or will say that they don’t know and they will think about it.

    The idea that you should listen to yoga instruction that tells you to “Listen to your body” and then the same person tells you to ignore that voice and just work through pain makes absolutely no sense.

    So Barb, I know answering the questions could take a little longer than you might like but it will definitely help YOU.

    Namaste
    Gabrielle 🙂

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