I'm suprised by improvement in bladder/kidney function

I'm suprised by improvement in bladder/kidney function2009-02-02T22:57:56+00:00
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  • Foos
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    For the past month I’ve done Bikram yoga between 6-4 times per week. Somewhere after week two, I noticed that drinks no longer passed straight through to my bladder. I’ve had this condition for 14 years or so (I’m 52 now). Now I’ve cut back on the amount of fluid I drink before class because I can feel it in my intestines (and it makes some forward bending poses uncomfortable).

    There are lots of Bikram poses which supposedly benefit the kidneys. Any suggestions on which poses most likely caused my sudden improvement??

    LoveTheHeat
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    From what I found, this refers to kidney function:

    Bikram recommends performing the whole series religiously, working extra hard and long on those poses listed below as being excellent for kidney function and abdominal organs. Your body can and will right itself.

    Half moon
    Eagle
    Standing Bow and Bow
    Standing separate leg stretching, and standing separate leg stretching forehead to knee
    Triangle
    Wind Removing Pose
    Half Tortoise
    Camel
    Rabbit
    Seated Head to Knee with Stretching Pose
    Spinal Twist

    Gabrielle (The Hot Yoga Doctor)
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    Hi Foos

    For the past month I’ve done Bikram yoga between 6-4 times per week. Somewhere after week two, I noticed that drinks no longer passed straight through to my bladder. I’ve had this condition for 14 years or so (I’m 52 now). Now I’ve cut back on the amount of fluid I drink before class because I can feel it in my intestines (and it makes some forward bending poses uncomfortable).

    There are lots of Bikram poses which supposedly benefit the kidneys. Any suggestions on which poses most likely caused my sudden improvement??

    How satisfying to know that what you are doing is giving you tangible benefit!!! There is some truth in saying all poses in the series are helping you heal.

    I would like to look at it a little differently.

    Much of your overall health and wellbeing comes from your ability to breathe more fully. This effects great stimulation of your lymphatic system and ridding yourself of your body’s wastes. The different moves in your asana, the compressions and stretches and the twists are affording you greater manipulation, massage and cleansing in all your organs, in your circulatory system and toning your nerve function. So your hormonal systems are being “RESET” to much better function.

    In particular you have a handful of hormones that DIRECTLY effect your kidney function. One of these ADH or ANTIDIURETIC HORMONE is produced in the hypothalamus, released by the posterior pituitary (all deep in the brain), angiotensin II and aldosterone are produced locally in the kidneys, and there is even a hormone released in the heart that effects balance in this system.

    So when you talk of which poses actually benefit the kidneys it is not simply those that stretch, compress or twist the kidneys themselves. Naturally, there are some poses that won’t effect change in some systems. I think you can take a global or holistic view and see that you can’t really separate one pose from another in its ability to help, just as no system in the body works in isolation. Having said that it doesn’t hurt to check out the list of benefits of poses as a guideline to what they can do for you. It can certainly help you focus your intention or be more mindful of your body.

    Namaste
    Gabrielle 🙂

    JayFranco
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    Congratulations to you! The positions and the breathing exercises of Bikram yoga are designed to help stretch every tendon and ligament of the body.

    Ilyzium
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    Well I actually suffer from a chronic bladder condition and I find that I still need to go to the washroom once during Savasana so I make sure to keep my mat next to the door for quick acess. But I will say that I informed the yoga studio about my bladder condition and they were less than sympathetic you might say. After buying my package at that particular studio, I informed the staff of my condition, and that one day I believe my bladder will improve but it hasn’t happened yet. I mentioned that I need to go only once during Savasana and that I’m very discret about it tip toeing out of the room. Well, once I started doing that I started getting lectures from the yoga manager on how I should try to “control my bladder more and try not to go”, that I am being a distraction. Well, I tried holding my bladder for the entire class, but to do that i can’t drink any water, or hold in my stomach during certain poses, so by the end of class I felt like I was dying and didn’t have a very good workout. Hello? Are we in kindergarten or something. I don’t appreciate being told to not go to the washroom. I was absolutely enraged, complained to the owner and wrote a very detailed letter, stating the lack of customer service of his Manager, feeling discriminated because of my health condition and threatened to never come back. Well he had a talk with her and now she no longer bothers me. Find by me. For the record, many people complain about this Manager to the owner for various reasons, however since she runs the office, he’s not about to let her go.

    I would just like to be able to do my practice in peace without being harassed! Just wondered if anyone else has had any similar experiences or am I special? 😉

    Gabrielle (The Hot Yoga Doctor)
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    Hello Ilyzium

    What can I say? You ARE special. And it has nothing to do with your condition. 😆

    Seriously though whatever your condition, if you can be sure that your departure has nothing to do with distracting your OWN practice then that is all you need be concerned with. Everyone else’s ability to stay focused is not your major concern it is theirs. They are indeed very blessed to have you try to minimize the possible interruption by positioning yourself near the door.

    And for the record both Robert and I have had similar customer service issues (not with conditions) that actually prompted us never to go back to a particular studio despite contacting the studio owner. You said it: it is about being treated with courtesy, respect and not like a child needing to be ‘put into line’.

    Namaste
    Gabrielle 🙂

    Robert Scanlon (Webmaster)
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    Hi Ilyzium,

    I agree with Gabrielle – and I’m happy you quickly took positive action and corrected the situation.

    It’s not unusual in the hot yoga world to have unnecessary, arbitrary and somewhat draconian “rules” imposed. This includes imposing a “no-leaving-the-room” rule.

    I find it affronting that adults and CUSTOMERS are treated this way – without any understanding of specific issues that may be specific to certain students (such as yourself). I went through quite a period of stress where I would always leave the room during savasana to cool down (coupled with a studio that ran their temperature waaay too hot), then reappear for the floor series. I was made to feel as if there was something “wrong”, rather than helped through the process (which eventually did right itself).

    Anyone feeling “harassed” in a yoga class should vote with their feet if they cannot have the situation resolved as Ilyzium has. There’s no place for this in our community – by definition, yoga is inherently non-violent, so even having this conversation is bizarre!

    Anyway, that was my 2c!

    Namaste

    Robert

    Ilyzium
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    Thanks Gabrielle & Robert for the feedback. Nice to know that I’m not the only one who thinks that way!

    As Gabrielle said: “Everyone else’s ability to stay focused is not your major concern it is theirs. They are indeed very blessed to have you try to minimize the possible interruption by positioning yourself near the door.” Exactly! It’s not my problem if other students can’t stay focused on their own practice.

    I will say that at the previous Bikram studio that I was going to, the owners were much more understanding of my health issue. I just had to make sure to inform the teaching Instructor right before class. Yes I find it so insulting to be told that oh no, you can’t use the washroom, hold your bladder in. I’m just wondering if things might be different if I were to say, join a Hot Yoga Class, rather than the actual Bikram Class because I am really getting turned off coming to practice quite frankly? Perhaps their rules might not be so rigid & draconian? I guess I might just have to do more of Gabrielle’s yoga dvd at home then. 🙂

    Ilyzium
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    Hello everybody,

    Well I’m back again “ranting and raving” this time about the same very issue. Ok. well the other day I went to my regular Yoga studio to take my class. Now, normally I usually see whoever is teaching online, but I didn’t think to check that day. Well, I arrived there and found out that the “spawn of satan” how I think of her, is the one teaching. Trust me, if you saw her teaching style you’d agree. She has this harsh shrill voice,and she shouts (barks) out her commands-very stressful, and picks on people continuously, like I have never seen in a Bikram class.

    Many people refuse to go to her class, but she’s still there as she’s the Office Manager. Ok, well I was halfway through the class, when I really needed to go to the washroom, so I stood up and pointed to the door. The teacher was like : “No, no, no, no, no. Do you really need to go? Can’t you hold it? I said “no I can’t need to go now”. Well when I came out i saw the owner there who smiled at me, and I promptly came back when I was finished in the bathroom. The instructor’s reply was: “Oh was John out there?” I replied yes, and she said that “Oh dear well he’s probably not very happy about you now”. I thought to myself here we go again!! I went and complained to him again about his instructor/Manager’s rudeness and how I was extremtly angry, and how I’m plain fed up!

    I had already complained to him once before and thought that he’d spoken with her…maybe not i don’t know. All the other Instructor’s are fine with me going to the bathroom, I just make sure to remind them before the class. Well, I guess it’s my own fault that I didn’t pay attention to who was teaching that day. For the record this Instructor has had several complaints against her, however she’s still there as the owner thinks she’s doing a fabulous job. I just feel that the owner maybe doesn’t take my complaints seriously or something as I’d already complained before about that woman. Maybe I’ll be looking into joining a different studio, or be really careful not to ever get this instructor for a class. What would other people do?

    So, sorry if I bored some of you as this is really a ridiculous complaint, but valid nevertheless…

    Gabrielle (The Hot Yoga Doctor)
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    Hi Ilyzium

    Here is what I would do! You ready?

    I would:
    >> work out whether I need to go to the toilet
    >> then I would go! Simple :cheese:
    >> I would not seek permission
    >> I would not make any signals

    Everyone who needs to know that you may need to use the ‘facilities’ has already been told. Even the woman in question. You are an adult. Go pee when you need to. You know that you are not doing it to distract yourself from your practice. In fact, if they BOTHERED asking you, they would find out that the last thing you actually want to do is leave the room.

    Go forth and pee and then come back and practice – minimize the distraction, make no excuses, make no ceremony. Go, come back and make it your yoga. You see, it is ONLY the problem of the person who continues to be worried about it. Do you want to be that person – or do you want to practice yoga?

    Namaste
    Gabrielle 🙂

    Ilyzium
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    Hi Gabrielle,

    Thank you very much for your feedback. I have a question about that. Ok, now what do I do say, when I’ve done what you said and this rude Instructor still embarrasses me, making me feel like a “naughty child in kindergarten”? I’m always discrete and quiet about it and I know that no other students are bothered by it. What would you personally do? I get really tired of complaining to the owner about this issue, because I feel like it’s falling on “deaf ears”. I just feel like driving to a farther Bikram location and trying out a new studio. 🙁

    Namaste
    Ilyzium

    bonmar
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    Hi, Ilyzium:

    I too was having this needing-to-go-in-the-middle-of-class problem. It was becoming a very bad habit for me.

    I think I have now conquered it by stopping all liquids two hours before a class, and making sure my bladder is emptied one minute before class starts.

    I have also diligently been working on building my pelvic floor and core muscles for the past six months and, boy, has that ever helped!

    Just thought I’d throw that thought in here.

    Ilyzium
    Participant
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    Hi Bonmar,

    I purposely come to class a bit dehydrated for that very reason, and always empty my bladder 5 min before, but still have to go halfway during class, so I go during savasana. Oh you’re doing those kegel exercises….Well, I’m glad they worked for you. They’ve never really worked for me unfortunately. Just out of curiosity, how were you treated by the Instructor, when you had to void during class?

    Come to think of it, I think the next time that Instructor/Office Manager gives me a hard time about needing to empty my bladder, I’ll say something to her like- “You can’t be telling people not to use the bathroom. It’s a basic human need. Do you think someone with a bladder condition wants to go to the bathroom? Uh, not! Or I’ll say that “I really do need to go urgently and if I can’t leave the room, then I’ll just pee on my mat”! I’m tired of being treated like that, it’s so draconian! I feel like I’m the only one having this issue too.

    Gabrielle (The Hot Yoga Doctor)
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    Hi Ilyzium

    Yes, that is a hard one. But ultimately it depends on you (and your own personal development). You see, at present you are reacting to this instructor as a naughty child would react to a parent. In order to not engage this dynamic between you 2 you have to rob the dynamic of power and be completely equanimous with the situation. And this means that you have no charge whatsoever to the situation. It really is an extension of your yoga practice. One of the great developments in the studio (and in life) is to learn Pratyahara which loosely defined is to direct your attention inward and focus on what is going on in your own body (what you see, smell, hear etc) and it is a way to be less distracted and enter a state of higher awareness.

    You may notice for example that when you first started your practice that many, many things disturbed you: including your thoughts, your sensations, and equally what other people were doing and saying. When we talk about the effects of others you can consider these distractions to be things like someone moving, falling over, making sounds, leaving the room 😉 etc. Do you remember how susceptible you were to the mention of your name? There you were balancing in Eagle pose and the teacher said “beautiful pose T” or “T, line up your joints” and then you fell over!

    After a while you were able to listen to the information, hear your name and simply apply it and not react, just respond.

    So, I am wondering if you can draw any parallels here in this situation? I wonder if there is something about your own internal reaction to this affront to your senses that you could in some way let go of.

    In my experience it is about working out what needs of yours are not being met in this exchange with your teacher. Perhaps you are feeling embarrassed, self-conscious and even pissed off. And what you are really value or need is some respect, understanding and compassion. Please let me assure you that I have challenges with certain situations that ‘plug me in’ and can take some time to acknowledge what is really going on inside myself. But sometimes the mere acknowledgment of my own internal responses and needs is all I need to diffuse the reaction.

    So, I would assess a few things:

    1 >> Do I have the ability to really be equanimous with this situation and simply fulfill my needs, go to the toilet and come back (not seek approval, nor take on the judgment) and continue my practice with peace and calm in my body and mind?

    2 >> Is this a lesson in the mastery of one’s own being in learning how to respond rather than react?

    3 >> Perhaps you can realize that this instructor has very deep unresolved issues of her own, some feelings and needs that she herself is not acknowledging and can therefore not demonstrate her equanimity at all. Are you just reacting to her reaction?

    4 >> Is it feasible to tell the owner that you will continue to do what you are doing and you would prefer to not have any reproach about the situation and you will do your best to stay equanimous and manage your own behavior? Often (and this is a biggie) we go and complain about something but the one vital missing ingredient is the request for something to happen. Is it at all possible that your request for your mid-session activity to be ignored has not been made?

    5 >> Do you like this studio enough that you want to stay here? Are you willing to vote with your feet? (One way to look at this is this: if every instructor you had was like this at every studio, would you a) stop doing yoga completely or b) continue to do yoga and pee when you need to? In other words, what would you do if the same thing happened in another studio?)

    6 >> Robert and I were joking the other day about how you should just bring a chamber pot into the studio so that you don’t have to leave the room. Maybe then they will get the message. 😆

    Namaste
    Gabrielle 🙂

    bonmar
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    Oh, I like that chamber pot idea! We’ll just keep it in the corner…

    Ilyzium, I’ve NEVER had a teacher say anything negative to me when I’ve snuck out to the loo. I too had the habit of going after the standing series, whilst everyone was in savasana, because the minute I would flip over onto my back I could feel my bladder talking to me. The teachers would just wink or wave or whatever and that’s the extent of it.

    I would not put up with what you have, it’s ridiculous. I would loudly complain to the studio and if nothing was done, I’d “use my feet,” as Gab said.

    But in reading Gab’s post, there’s a lesson to be learned by me in there too. Some days I totally zone out and everyone/everything in the room fades away by Standing Head to Knee. Other days I’m bothered by people wiping, drinking, fidgeting, as if it’s somehow connected to me. “As your yoga goes, so goes your life.”

    Sorry, I got a little sidetracked from the topic.

    Ilyzium
    Participant
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    Gabrielle,

    You’re absolutely right about everything you’ve mentioned. This Instructor must have her own “demons” or some deep unresolved issues, because she is acting like a bully and I know purposely trying to embarrass me! And yes I’m just going to try to go to my class and go to the washroom when I need, because as a grown adult, I certainly don’t need this “cretan’s” approval. True too, that my previous complaint to the owner a few months ago was obviously ignored, as this one likely would be too. I don’t really like this studio very much as I just don’t find the “air” to be very welcoming. Hmmm…I think if the same thing happened at another studio, well to start I would be very vocal about my “problem” from day 1 with both the owner & manager, would mention that as a paying customer I wouldn’t tolerate this kind of “discrimination”, probably would mention that I also work for a local paper as a journalist. I really don’t, but they don’t need to know that. 🙂 And yes as you say, I just have to learn to “zone out” and not care what anyone thinks of me. Thanks again for all your “valuable” advice.

    BTW I laughed so hard at that “chamber pot” idea. You know as a “prankster” which I often am, I really like the idea of say just 1 day bringing that darn chambar pot in class, to mock this Instructor. I seriously should do that! 🙁

    Bonmar.
    Well I’m glad that no-one has ever harassed you about your visit’s to the loo. Thanks for your feedback too!

    patsww
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    I need to improve my bladder health too.

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