Lower back pain – after stepping up to daily classes

Lower back pain – after stepping up to daily classes2012-02-02T19:29:09+00:00
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  • bethrsmith
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    After a nearly 10 year hiatus, I starting practicing hot yoga again about 6 months ago. I had been going to about 4 classes each week but decided to step it up. I have been to class every day for the last 11 days. I feel great except that I am having discomfort in my lower back–nothing too excrutiating, but very stiff when I stand after sitting and I have a hard time getting comfortable in bed. Should I continue taking daily classes or should I back off and give my body a rest? Thanks so much.

    idapajunen
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    I would some insight into this as well. I am currently doing a 60 Day Challenge. (I’m on Day 8) In the past 4 months I’ve done 2 separate 30 Day challenges and haven’t had any problem with low back stiffness, but I am now. It’s not a shooting pain, or really even a pain, just a stiffness and soreness.

    dominichjones
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    Hey bethrsmith & ipadjunen so first time poster hence apologies if I mess up etiquette!

    I am currently in my second 30 day challenge, today being day 17. Anyway over the last month or so of practice I too have developed a stiff lower back, on a pain scale only around 2/10 (with 10 being the worst). Ipadajunen your comment “It’s not a shooting pain, or really even a pain, just a stiffness and soreness.” exactly describes what I’m going through (or was going through).

    At first I thought that I was over extending my back in Locust/ full locust / the back postures so I sat out on that posture + cobra for a few days, no change… So then I talked to one of my teachers and she suggested the problem was not engaging my core whilst in pose. In such a hot and stuffy room the last thing I really want to do is to engage my core while in a posture, breathing is hard enough!! If you think about your practice when your teacher tells you to engage your core / suck your belly up are you? In my case I wasn’t so I’ve gone back to basics and am focusing on engaging my core whilst still breathing in each posture. Between postures I let me core go, let my belly go and breathe as I previous had.

    Magically my back is getting better. So I could be completely wrong and it could be nothing to do with your core not being engaged and your lower back taking the strain, but for me it was! I hope this helps, what also helps is a hot water bottle applied regularly to your lower back!

    Namaste,

    Dom.

    emshilie
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    I’m also a newbie in the midst of a 30 day challenge (today was day 24) and am experiencing the same stiffness in my lower back. Half-moon and camel hurt quite a bit, as do the forward bends and even the sit-up. I’m thinking it could be due to my jumping in too quickly with improper form? On the first few days, I was feeling SO good and probably went too far back into the back bends. Dom, your core theory is interesting! I’ll have to pay more attention to that in class tomorrow. Does anyone else have an idea on how to relieve this soreness?

    idapajunen
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    Hello!
    I have had some great progress with this issue in the past week! Dominichjones, I think you are correct about it being an issue with core engagement. I was confused by that theory at first because I focus so much on the core, but I’ve found something that has seemed to work.

    Basically, I believe I’ve been going too deep in my backbends, and in the wrong way. In standing bow, full bow, and camel, I am not keeping an engaged core/very slight lengthening of the low back. Therefore, my back is bending but my front side is not lengthened sufficiently. The outcome is a bit of a crunch in my low back that I believe was what was making it start to feel achey. Essentially this is a core issue, because it seems that if you are all the way engaged, your back will not be able to bend in that way. I hope this makes sense…

    Emshilie, this would explain your concern with the backbends! The alignment of half-moon is very difficult. In that pose especially, think about lengthening and stretching out of the side you’re bending into, not just the side that’s stretching. It’s amazing how much you have to lift out of your hips. Hope that helps!

    dominichjones
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    Hey,

    So pleased to hear about your back getting better / your getting to the bottom of why it happens. Yoga to me is about finding these weaknesses, establishing why they are happening and then adjusting so they (hopefully) disappear!

    Based on no scientific evidence, nor medical background I give you the following: I think that there is a tendency for us to treat our back like an elastic band, if you took an elastic band and put it round a bottle, the band stretches evenly, no one point has a weak spot, no one point weakens, the bottle exerts the same pressure across the band, evenly. I see this analogy as practicing with an engaged core, the stress is evenly distributed across your core and your lower back. When we dont engage our core we are in effect stressing the exact same point in the elastic band over and over again, weakening, stressing and eventually breaking the elastic band at one point, our lower back! Imagine going into standing bow without your core engaged, where is taking all the pressure? Your lower back. When you engage your core the stress is distributed across and around your core, belly and back. No one point of weakness.

    I’m now on day 22 of a 30 day and from about day 8-15 I had real stiffness in my lower back, verging on pain. Having re-engaged and focused on my core I can now say that my back has got much better to the point of not being a problem – now all I have to do is keep focused on engaging my core!

    Again this is only my story, but based on the discussion it seems that we should be engaging our core more!

    Good luck to all.

    Dom.

    Andrea.*F.
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    Hello everyone,

    I really liked the things you came up with and it is great to see so many curious and courageous yogis on the forum! I attended Gabrielle’s teacher training last year, where we adressed a lot of these things you are discussing above!

    Your observation is correct, in this case, it all comes done to engaging (or not engaging) your core muscles! I was thrilled to read about the discovery you made regarding core engagement! This knowledge comes in handy inside as well as outside of the yoga studio! Good core strength is essential to a healthy body and correct posture! (Gabrielle is very passionate about these, for a reason 😉 )

    If you haven’t already checked this video out, it might be time for all of you to do that now!
    See this free video on Core Strengthening AND Flattening your Tummy! I found these techniques incredibly useful and so did my fellow trainees in Costa Rica!

    You mentioned back bends a lot in the posts above, I hope you don’t mind if I share my insights on that with you! As Ida said, it is extremely important to focus on lifting out of the waist! One of the many valuable things I learned at teacher training is that it’s always worth thinking about a backbend as a stretch for the front side of the body! This helped me a lot to avoid collapsing into my lower back, as I did before… Focusing on ‘the lift’ and gaining strong core muscles will transform your back bends! Backward bending is very beneficial if done correctly, especially if you are challenging your body for 30-60 days, it is very important to be aware of all these things!

    Keep sharing your thoughts fellow yogis/yoginis! I hope to hear good news about strong core muscles and lovely front side stretches! 🙂

    Namaste,

    Andrea

    Gabrielle (The Hot Yoga Doctor)
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    Hello Beth, Dom, Emily and Ida

    I am very pleased that you are having some revelations about core strength.

    May I please ask you to tell me (each of you please) if in your classes you are encouraged to do Standing Separate Leg Intense Stretch with straight legs? Is your studio a script studio? Is your sit-up where you sit up on an inhale round over your legs and then do 2 short exhales?

    Please confirm what you’re doing as I would like to put another IMPORTANT piece into the puzzle for you.

    It may NOT JUST be about core strength. There are other interesting forces at play here. Core strength is an essential part and as I said, it is wonderful to have some awareness around it and to bring renewed focus to your practice

    Please let me know

    Namaste
    Gabrielle 🙂

    yogabunny246
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    Hi Gabrielle

    I noticed no one replied to your last post but I am curious what else you have to say as I am experiencing the same thing (day 14 of my 30 day challenge)..
    My answer would be yes to all three of your questions:
    “May I please ask you to tell me (each of you please) if in your classes you are encouraged to do Standing Separate Leg Intense Stretch with straight legs? Is your studio a script studio? Is your sit-up where you sit up on an inhale round over your legs and then do 2 short exhales?”

    Andrea.*F.
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    Hello Sara,

    Gabrielle and I have had a discussion about your post. We very strongly believe that, doing Separate Leg Stretching with straight legs and doing Sit Ups, they way you are encouraged to do so – are the source of your problem.

    For the very first place to start, please go read and digest – Opening up Your hamstrings with Hot Yoga.

    At the same time I would strongly recommend researching posts about Paschimottanasana and Dandayamana Bibhaktapada Paschimottanasana as these are crucial to your understanding.

    Of course for everything in one place with pose photos and step by step instructions it’s all in the Hot Yoga MasterClass. Forgive me for what could be mistaken as a sales pitch. I wouldn’t be recommending it unless I didn’t believe that it could literally transform your practice.

    With a little diligent searching, you’ll find what you need to fix your problems right now, (for free of course) on the forum!

    Namaste,

    Andrea

    Gabrielle (The Hot Yoga Doctor)
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    Hello yogabunny246

    Any revelations from reading that post we directed you to? Your problems are very common and go part and parcel with the way Bikram yoga is taught – via script which introduces many problems that is evident by the number of backaches and tight hamstrings (and many other issues) that people contact me about.

    The problem is that the practice makes you feel great even when one does things incorrectly and causes damage. Hence, why so many people come and report that they are doing yoga many times per week and still feeling back (or whatever) pain and that it is not letting up.

    The problems you are experiencing are most likely related to some fundamental mistakes that you are probably unwittingly making every single time you practice.

    The answer is NOT to work through stuff when the ‘stuff’ you are doing is causing pain and damage. The answer is to use the principles of alignment and proper functioning of the body to make the poses work for you and to open up the body … and to create the conditions of pain-free function and living in a joyful body as well as your peaceful mind!

    Please let me know. I am sure I can help you!

    Namaste
    Gabrielle 🙂

    sknitter
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    When you talk about engaging your core, do you mean tightening your stomach muscles? Just want to be sure I’m not missing something.

    Gabrielle (The Hot Yoga Doctor)
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    Hi Sharon

    There is actually a LOT more to engaging core muscles than tightening stomach muscles. In fact, and this is very surprising to most people, doing the wrong kind of exercise and only tightening certain stomach muscles (the ones people focus on when sucking in the tummy) can actually WEAKEN the core muscles and be a danger to one’s back.

    If you receive my email newsletters there is a series of messages about just this. Also there is quite a bit about it on this forum.

    If one knows how to engage the core then often the act of sucking in the stomach can involve the core. However in a huge number of cases this is not happening. This is why many students who have beautiful abs, six packs and the like, can still have the worst back aches and end up in bed in debilitating pain. They look great, know how to suck in the stomach, but they are missing the vital core activation necessary to holistic health. What’s worse, the trouble happens with the most innocuous of movements.

    How do you think you go with core strength and your tummy muscles? The key is finding out if you have the ability to ‘turn on’ those core muscles at will, and when you’re doing ‘work’.

    Namaste
    Gabrielle 🙂

    sknitter
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    I think my core strength and tummy muscles are almost non-existent. I had Breast Cancer 2 years ago (surgery, chemo and radiation) and then had to have a very messy hysterectomy. In fact, my abdomen has been opened up 3 times in my life. I know, probably TMI, but I think it is pertinent. While I’m very healthy now (Yeah!), the last two years have taken a toll on my strength. I believe that is what led to the back problems. No main event, just years of bad posture and sloppy core strength. I decided to really commit to Bikram because I think it is a great holistic way to get myself healthy. My overall concept is that I spent the last two years having doctors do things to my body and now it is my turn to do things FOR my body.

    Long winded way of saying that I need to really learn how to work on my core.

    Best,
    Sharon

    Gabrielle (The Hot Yoga Doctor)
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    Hi Sharon

    Thanks for the info. It is helpful.

    Now … have I got the exercise for you? Yeah

    Go and Look At This Video about strengthening your core!

    This one will make a big difference for you, and quickly! (and easily!)

    Namaste
    Gabrielle 🙂

    sknitter
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    Thanks! I will be incorporating this into my routine as soon as I find one of those balls.
    Just received my Master Class and it is beyond beautiful!

    Gabrielle (The Hot Yoga Doctor)
    Forum Owner
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    Thank you so much Sharon! :cheese: Did you find the size 3 ball? They should be very easy to come by.

    Namaste
    Gabrielle 🙂

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