Position of the head and neck during pranayama

Position of the head and neck during pranayama2008-03-06T18:10:16+00:00
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    Posted by synchro_idiotic

    When I’m on the exhale, with my head tilted skyward, knuckles pressed under my chin and forearms pressed together, is it appropriate to do a backbend, or should I just focus on keeping the shoulders relaxed, spine straight, and the head tilted skyward? I’ve seen it done both ways.

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    Gabrielle (The Hot Yoga Doctor)
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    Hello John

    Yep, there sure are a lot of interpretations of every pose! 😉

    It is definitely much better and safer to keep the back totally straight through this breathing exercise. It is really only the neck that bends. Keeping the knees locked especially hard on the exhale will guard against that tendency to lean back or push the hips forward.

    One little tip I would like to offer: when you inhale you are loosening up everything trying to get very tall and long. If your legs needs a little break from being completely locked out to just being firmly engaged, then on the inhale is the time to do that. It is extremely difficult to keep 100% leg lock for the entire Pranayama exercise. Engaged and firm is possible.

    Just before you exhale, tuck your tailbone under to lengthen your lower back and make your entire back straight, lock your legs as hard as you can and complete your breath cycle. There is a straight line from the back of your heels through your strong legs and back right up to the bend in your neck.

    As you mention, shoulder relaxation is also key. Thanks for your question.

    Namaste
    Gabrielle 🙂

    boshemian
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    I noticed in the photo posted for pranayama, the girl has her thumbs unlocked. When Bikram visited our studio this past February he told me my thumbs needed to be crossed. Just wondering what the reasoning is for this and why so many people don’t cross their thumbs.
    Jesi in Sapporo

    Gabrielle (The Hot Yoga Doctor)
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    Hi Jesi

    Thanks for posting! I took a look at the photo – well I think I was looking at the photo to which you are referring and I can see her thumbs interlocked. You are talking about the top photo aren’t you?

    Yes I agree with Bikram (of course!): when you bring your elbows together at the end of the exhalation your thumbs should be crossed. I certainly couldn’t physically keep my thumbs crossed with my arms up near my ears. 😉

    Namaste
    Gabrielle 🙂

    boshemian
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    Thanks for the quick reply. Actually I was referring to the photo in which the arms are raised above the head.I find it rather difficult to keep my thumbs crossed especially because I have short thumbs 🙁 But, since Bikram personally adjusted my thumbs and said they needed to be crossed I try!

    Gabrielle (The Hot Yoga Doctor)
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    Hi again!

    So which pose are you referring to because the arms don’t go above the head in Pranayama. Are you perhaps referring to Half Moon?

    Namaste
    Gabrielle 🙂

    boshemian
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    Pose one. Breathing pose. Hands clasped, breathe in through your nose while raising your arms, keeping hands interlocked under your chin.

    My elbows are even with my head (higher on a good day) and other longer armed people’s arms/elbows are even higher. Sorry for the confusion. It’s the 3rd picture of Pose 1/Pranayama (on the right).

    My class is all in Japanese and I’ve only heard the English once…when Bikram led our class. And up until that point I had never even noticed my thumbs weren’t interlocked.

    Thanks for all your replies.

    Gabrielle (The Hot Yoga Doctor)
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    :cheese:
    It’s all in the wording isn’t it?

    When you said arms over you head I imagined straight arms over your head rather than just ‘elbows up’. 😆

    Now I also realize that you were looking at the photos on my other website quickfityoga.

    Is it at all possible that your adjustment was to cross your thumbs when your elbows were together either at the beginning of the exercise or at the end of an exhale?

    The most important thing is that you keep your fingers completely interwoven right down to the ‘webbing’. I am pretty sure that EVERYONE (without injury) can do that. But as you say, with differently proportioned hands the thumbs can behave differently across the board.

    For example if I keep my thumbs crossed the whole time then my elbows barely get to the height of my shoulders (my arms get to a horizontal position). And if I try to get them up further then my shoulders rise up and cause cramping. This goes against the whole aim of the pose. I don’t have short thumbs but I have very long hands so there is no way to keep them crossed.

    I suggest you start with crossed thumbs at the beginning of the exercise and then keep your fingers interlocked. Then as your elbows come up, keep focus on the sensation of your fingers contacting at the base. There is a gentle force you need to apply to keep your hands together at these points. This will help you create the leverage in the movements of this pose particularly as you coordinate the movement of the head and arms in unison. That force will help you open your neck safely and with control (because of the pressure against the jaw) and will allow you to open up your shoulders.

    When it comes to your thumbs, allow them to slide apart maintaining that finger contact I described. Most people can’t keep them touching, let alone crossed. Robert for example, can get his elbows up and his thumb tips will JUST overlap. There is no way at all I could do that.

    They will slide apart to some degree for everybody (anatomical fact – but willing to be shown pictures that refutes it 😉 ) so on the exhale keep those finger bases together and allow the thumbs to slide back over each other to be definitely and actively crossed by the time you have finished your exhales.

    Part of the aim of the exercise is to open the shoulders and the neck and build control and strength in the muscles. You can’t do that by limiting the travel of your arms by keeping your thumbs crossed. Try it!

    Namaste
    Gabrielle 🙂

    boshemian
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    Gabrielle,
    thanks as usual for the quick reply. ‘Elbows up’ escaped me…I should have chosed better words!

    He definitely corrected my thumbs during the breating in, raising your arms part. He actually came over and corrected me just before the exhale(put your head back) part.
    He may have had me do that to just keep my fingers closer together as you said.

    Anyway, I appreciate all your advice and will continue working on this pose 😉

    finalspinal
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    Just before you exhale, tuck your tailbone under to lengthen your lower back and make your entire back straight, lock your legs as hard as you can and complete your breath cycle. There is a straight line from the back of your heels through your strong legs and back right up to the bend in your neck.

    As you mention, shoulder relaxation is also key. Thanks for your question.

    Namaste
    Gabrielle 🙂

    I was hoping you could help to shed some light on this in further detail…

    I have always had full-body joint flexibility limitations (for which yoga works wonders), where I am usually unable to execute seemingly basic instructions regarding the manipulation of certain body parts. “Tucking the tailbone” is one of these major areas of concern. Teachers have constantly implored me to tuck my tailbone and I expend tremendous (and unnecessary) energy trying to comply.

    Would you mind explaining this simple action in a bit more detail? Like how would it look in a mirror?

    Thank you so so much for all of your help!

    Andrew

    Gabrielle (The Hot Yoga Doctor)
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    Hi Andrew

    I wonder if you can imagine your hips being a bucket filled with water. You can swivel that bucket so that it stays relatively still but swings forward or backward around an axis to cause the water to spill over. There is a neutral position which we aim for in most functions. Those with a pronounced lumbar curve the water spills out to the front. With a tight lower spine (or hips) it can be hard to find that neutral position or maneuver into it.

    It may be useful for you to go to a gym, see a personal trainer or pilates instructor to help you find out if you are holding your body in a good position. When you tuck the tailbone under in some poses as we are trying to do here in Pranayama we aren’t trying to remove natural curvatures as much as we are trying to stabilize the spine and keep it firm and focus on isolating the bend to the neck.

    Does that make anything clearer for you? What are you feeling in your attempts and what are the instructors describing to you either before or after your attempts in order to help you? Are they saying you have a marked lumbar curvature? Or perhaps they are saying you are doing a backbend in the pose. What other poses if any do you find this is being asked of you?

    Namaste
    Gabrielle 🙂

    finalspinal
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    That definitely clears things up a bit…

    While no instructor has ever said I have a “marked lumbar curvature”, they do tell me all the time that the natural position of my hips is a bit peculiar…

    In my attempts to “tuck my tailbone under” I find my belly protruding far forward. By constantly making an effort to suck in my lower gut at the same time I think I can approach something close to a stabilized spine like we’re looking for in Pranayama exhale.

    In a natural sitting position, my lower back arches backwards noticeably making poses like Paschimottanasana extremely difficult, unnatural, and generally weird-looking. When I visited a sports medicine specialist he said that my tailbone just naturally rests in an unusual position.

    I think the most trouble I have is with forward bends as a result. Trying to maintain a semi-straight back in something like Standing Separate Leg Stretching Pose seems nearly impossible given my physiological makeup…

    Gabrielle (The Hot Yoga Doctor)
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    Hi Andrew

    I was just wondering about the arch in your lumbar spine. Just to clarify: You are telling me you have a slightly enhanced curve in your lower back, is that right? If it is then it could actually make it easier to improve your paschimottanasana poses because you can extend and lengthen your spine as you try to bring your body down to your legs. The opposite is where most people get into trouble: Where they imagine that the rounding of the spine is what is doing them a favor. Let me know if that makes sense and if I can explain that better.

    Namaste
    Gabrielle 🙂

    finalspinal
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    Yeah I didn’t really explain that too clearly.

    My lower back especially seems to have a natural forward curve to it when I sit on the ground – the opposite of an “arched” back if that makes sense. For the end of the floor series, when we are on our behinds, my natural position is for my entire back to be pretty rounded.

    It seems I have to really make a concerted effort to extend and lengthen my back and pull my chest forward in poses like Paschimottanasana to help counterbalance this.

    I know this post was originally about Pranayama but I think understanding how my hips and back interact together in a pose like Paschimottanasana helps to elucidate things for me a bit.

    Senin
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    I am wondering if the hands-under-neck/elbows-out technique of pranayama is the most benefitial. First of all, it seems to be dangerous to the neck. Then, I wonder how much prana you are actually moving. Then, wouldn’t the pranayama be more efficient with full arms raised and lowered- expanding the lungs much more?

    thanks

    Gabrielle (The Hot Yoga Doctor)
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    Hi Senin

    (Nice to ‘see’ you. Haven’t seen you for a while! :)) Well, whether this particular pranayama exercise is dangerous or beneficial does depend on the technique taught and used. If it’s feeling dangerous then it’s possible that the technique has not been explained well enough. In most cases, it should feel safe and even therapeutic. It can even make a sore neck feel better with noticeably better feeling by the end of the first (or second) set. (Waiver: There are some sore neck conditions – the more acute ones – where the technique needs modification.)

    How is it for you?

    Namaste
    Gabrielle 🙂

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