Problems deepening into this pose.

Problems deepening into this pose.2008-03-06T19:23:48+00:00
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    Posted by beauxx

    A few questions on proper form for this pose–on my right side I have a hard time allowing my extended leg to lay flat–I need to bend the leg to get my head to my knee. On my left side it is better but that extended leg is not flat either–requires a slight bend of the knee. Is this a difficult pose for many people?

    With straight ahead zero degrees where should the extended leg be placed in relation to this if it is moved clockwise– approx 30 degrees or more/less for proper form?

    I also find it difficult to sit vertically when I put my hands over my head and sense that my hips are not seated properly and or extended leg is place wrongly causing this struggle in movement.

    The second part of this pose-the situp and lean forward, chest to legs appears to be out of the question if I have to keep my back straight to do this. I can do it with legs flat on the mat but not with a straight back.

    Namaste—BL

    Gabrielle (The Hot Yoga Doctor)
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    Hi BL

    With head to knee pose it is definitely no problem at all to have your leg bent up. This pose will only work if you have the forehead pushing down on the knee PLUS the strongly interlaced fingers which have to pull back on the ball of the foot WHILE the heel is pushing away from you and the elbows are pointing in and down. All these elements combine well to create this wonderful dynamic tension. It feels fantastic.

    And it may surprise you to know that most people DON’T get their legs straight. Most of them have a slight bend in their legs. So just work on creating that lovely roundness and that active stretching and traction.

    Re leg set-up:
    When you set up place your hips square to the mirror. Extend your straight leg out (at 45 degrees) and bend your other leg in at 45 degrees. When you look down at your legs you can see a right angle (90 degree angle) that your legs make with each other. Any more or less and it is not ideal and should be adjusted. So rather than think 45 degrees I like to stress hips square and set up legs at 90 degrees to each other.

    Re sitting vertically: This also happened to me but was no longer a problem after several months. I found it particularly difficult when I was switching sides. My back would be rounded over and I couldn’t sit forward on my sit-bones. For a while I actually had to bring my hands to the floor to swap my legs over so I wasn’t thrashing them around! If I kept my arms over my head I found I had to shift my heavily resistant leg in a second movement to reach the correct position, or I had to move both legs in ‘jerky’ stages. There is really nothing you can do but work on symmetry of hip placement in the pose and the right traction forces. Naturally progress in other parts of the series will bring you results here over time. Ahh, patience, grasshopper.

    Re intense stretch pose:
    Your mission here (if you choose to accept it) is always and without fail to work on a straight back. These 2 poses are grouped here for expediency. They are not the same pose but almost completely opposite in their intent, results and benefits.

    If your spine rounds then bend up your legs so that you can lift your breastbone, straighten your spine – even arching it – to lengthen it with every breath. Pull back on the toes and push the heels away with BENT LEGS. I guarantee (yes guarantee!) that you will feel this pose work more deeply this way. Hang off your toes (if you can imagine that) by keeping the arms straight and relaxed using the grip of the fingers for strength.

    ONLY when you have straight legs (in addition to your straight back) are you supposed to bend your arms at all. This is one of the most commonly misunderstood poses of the whole series.

    Namaste oh curious one!
    Gabrielle 🙂

    blue
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    I have questions about this one too.
    I have a long body and short legs ( I know… lucky me ) any way, so it would seen that I could do the leg stretching fairly easily. However, I also have very rounded shoulders and am struggling to get my back to feel VERY straight. I can lock my knees and lift up my heels w/ all toes pointed back. I “arch” my upper back as I pull on my toes and lower my elbows to create the straight spine as I go down.
    Heres’ where I get confused….. at this point the teacher will cue me to lower my chin to look between my toes, which in turn feels like I’m curving my spine. He’ll tell me to keep going and pulling to touch my forehead to my toes. I have done this …… but it feels like when I lower my chin and before I pull to reach more forward to touch my toes than down, that my spine is curved …. is this right?

    Gabrielle (The Hot Yoga Doctor)
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    Hi blue

    FABULOUS question! Thanks.

    My preference is to always, Always, ALWAYS try for a straight back. My instruction is literally to check into your body and the moment you feel your back round you back off and stretch again. For some people it will mean bending up their legs again. For you it is to lift out a little, and continue to work on the extension.

    It is what your body is telling you that counts. Forehead to toes at any expense is more to do with ego than yoga. 😉

    Namaste
    Gabrielle 🙂

    blue
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    Thanks for the quick response.
    this is what I thought, and what i’ve been doing. It was just confusing due the teacher continuing to correct me.
    I’ll keep pulling in the way that feels like my spine is getting the most stretch and challenge. If I keep getting corrected I’ll clarify w/ the teacher. I think it may LOOK like I’m straight, but I can feel the pull in my upper spine change. Any way I’ll talk to him. THANKS

    Springtime
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    So this was one of my least favorite positions and I knew it was about needing a technique unlook. After reading the MasterClass last night and this forum I realized the two big issues were (1) looking at my foot in Janushirasana and (2) rounding down in Paschimottanasana. Hmmmmm. Rounding when I shouldn’t and not rounding enough. Funny how that is. Ok the third issue was not really pulling on my foot.

    Well this morning I corrected both of those issues and I think I’m gonna love this position!!! The opening with both of them and the comfort was so demonstrably different. Amazingly better.

    Thanks so much.

    Gabrielle (The Hot Yoga Doctor)
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    Hi Spring

    Wow, breakthroughs in Janushirasana, Paschimottanasana, Spinal Twist and Sit-up in one class. Thank you for posting all 3 ‘success broadcasts’. Makes the HYD very happy. :cheese:

    Namaste
    Gabrielle 🙂

    lilitamz
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    Hello all,

    I have some issues keeping my back straight too. This is actually quite embarrassing… It doesn’t matter how much I bend my legs, I can not touch my toes without rounding my shoulders… I have tried to sit better on my sit bones but still, the lengthening ain’t happening for me.

    I have been wondering if there is an alternate way to do this until I further open my chest. I have accomplished a good opening on my shoulders (thanks to standing bow and camel:))and my hips (thanks to triangle, fixed firm and tree). My chest still quite closed. Although it opens nicely during camel, when I get to the intense stretch I am reminded of how tight my upper chest is.

    Any thoughts on how to treat this?

    Thanks!!

    Liliana

    Gabrielle (The Hot Yoga Doctor)
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    Hi Liliana

    I was wondering if you’ve tried just placing a little space between the feet. Maybe 6 inches could do it. Play with the distance, see what effects on the shoulders and get back to me.

    Namaste
    Gabrielle 🙂

    lilitamz
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    Hi Gabrielle,

    Separating the knees does help a bit however, I’ve been noticing that at the end of the sit up I can keep my back straight. The problem begins when I grab on to the big toes. Not sure what is going on. Just wondering if I could grab on to my toes as I come up on my sit up? or maybe I can hold on to my shins… that seems doable for me. Not sure if any of this modifications would compromise the pose.

    Thanks a bunch!

    Gabrielle (The Hot Yoga Doctor)
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    Hi Liliana

    Just verifying, you did mean separating your knees and feet didn’t you? Are you legs bent when you grab your feet? And are your feet flexed back (toes towards your nose)?

    I am not really sure what you mean by grabbing your feet “as you come up”. If I can picture that properly then I imagine that the back can’t be straight when you do that.

    Namaste
    Gabrielle 🙂

    lilitamz
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    I mean when I come up I flex my knees so I can reach my toes. I think my back is straight…

    I guess some of the difficulty I have grabbing my big toes is because I feel my breasts get on the way. That’s why I sometimes wonder about holding on to something else like the ankles or something.

    when you say separating the feet and knees, should I keep my arms in the middle or besides my legs?

    thank you!

    Gabrielle (The Hot Yoga Doctor)
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    Okey dokey Liliana

    I see! So yes, keep your legs bent and feet flexed back in order to grab the feet. Now, grab your feet from the outside (NOT INSIDE) your legs. And if you need to separate your legs (experiment with the distance).

    Namaste
    Gabrielle :))

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