So disgusted

So disgusted2017-07-27T21:26:43+00:00
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  • Slipjig
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    I did Bikram yoga many years ago, but quit due to a combo of sagging adrenal glands and verbally abusive instructors. Recently I decided to come back to the heat, and got a two-week membership at a local studio I hadn’t tried before. My experience has been very positive, and I was thinking of buying a regular membership after the two weeks is up (tomorrow) but something last night happened that was truly sickening.

    I have a lot of physical problems and limitations, and this particular studio does not even ask you to fill out any kind of intake form. I was a little worried at first, but all of the teachers have been very hands-off, which has been wonderful. I was afraid to come back to Bikram because I didn’t want to be yelled at or singled out in class, like I had been previously. So I didn’t feel that I needed to tell every single teacher about all of my problems (which would take a while and I honestly didn’t want them to give me false promises that Bikram yoga would heal me of all of them, which I was used to hearing).

    Last night, as the teacher was leading us in Bow pose, she saw that I was struggling to get a hold of my left ankle. She came over to me, reached down, and pushed my ankle forward in an ungentle manner. Luckily this did not hurt my knee, but as I was reaching down to grab it, my left triceps cramped up and I yowled in pain.

    She asked me what was wrong and I said, “My arm cramped up because of what you did!” She said she was going to get the studio director, who came in, picked up my mat and towel and ushered me out of the studio. She tried to blame everything on me, saying since the teacher didn’t touch my arm, it was my fault that it cramped up. Yet it never would have happened if the teacher hadn’t pushed on my leg trying to get me into a pose I wasn’t ready for, and didn’t even ask me if she could touch me or even if I needed help! The director told me I wasn’t hydrated enough. When I told her I drink a gallon of water a day, she said, well you have to have enough electolytes with the water. I told her I was good on that, too. She gave me the bum’s rush out of the place, then told me “Come back soon!”

    All I wanted was to finish class, and for the teacher to have apologized for her part in this. The cramp would have resolved itself. I’m so disgusted with this studio and their lack of taking responsibility and being compassionate!

    Is this what is taught in the training? To blame the student for any ailment that happens during class?

    Gabrielle (The Hot Yoga Doctor)
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    Hi Slipjig

    I always worry about any studio who shows no interest in ailments or conditions, because it usually means that they think the yoga will fix EVERYTHING and that (and this may not be the case here) the Bikram dialog is just perfect and you can rely on the scripted class for any and everything… and all you have to do is just refer to the words.

    What happened at the studio is wrong on a good few levels. There has definitely been some reactivity on both sides of the equation. You were certainly brave enough to share your proclamation when you were asked by the teacher what was wrong. It is natural to feel strongly that there was a connection between the push on the ankle (gentle or ungentle) and then the cramping in your biceps.

    However, I don’t know whether anyone could blame the push of the ankle with the cramping of your arm muscles. So rather than ascribe blame there, I would like to draw your attention to what happened after that.

    By your account, there appears to be no enquiry into the real problem and there appears to be a lack of compassion. If someone’s arm were cramping I would be perhaps getting them some electrolytes, (at my studio there would be salt at the desk for that purpose) asking them to drink, finding out if they minded if I helped by massaging the area or any number of things.

    How does anybody talk about ‘fault’ when it comes to a muscle cramp?

    Anyway, the rest of the account appears to be a childish ‘he said she said’ exchange which shows little customer service ethic.

    My questions to you are these: Are you considering going back to this studio? Do you really need an apology? Do you think you’ll get it? Do you think you can ask them if they can simply say “may I push on your ankle?” or other simple question before they help you or anyone else?

    If they rarely help anybody and rely on the script, then it is good manners to ask every single time. If the culture is one of helping students often, then there tend to be unspoken transactions of permission that occur between student and teacher and in such studios, it may be a look or a nod or something similar that seals the deal. I often just approach someone and before I put my hand on them I say: “may I?” I don’t even have to say anything else. They’ll nod, say yes. Or on the odd occasion, they’ll say no.

    As far as I know, teachers who train with Bikram are told not to touch anybody, they are taught the script will suffice for everything. Your last question is obviously rhetorical! 😉 Typically, if a person is injured in class, a yoga teacher may say (and this is not what I believe) “oh, that happened because you have an old injury and the yoga is causing it to become obvious/come to the surface.” Or similar words are used. In my experience, if you do the yoga with precision techniques properly applied, then you can avoid damage, heal what’s there and not have to re-experience old injuries!

    But, if someone experiences pain or injury in class, the first thing to do is show caring. If it’s serious, then help the person. If it’s not, they can rest and rejoin when they want. It would be rare to turf someone out of a studio for saying they hurt themselves.

    If the tables were turned, can you tell me if everything were the same as you detail it, would you have had that student leave immediately?

    Namaste
    Gabrielle 🙂

    Slipjig
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    But, if someone experiences pain or injury in class, the first thing to do is show caring. If it’s serious, then help the person. If it’s not, they can rest and rejoin when they want. It would be rare to turf someone out of a studio for saying they hurt themselves.<

    Hi Gabrielle! Thank you SO MUCH for your oh so supportive and caring post. You really hit the nail on the head with the above quote. They didn’t show caring; they showed control. They really edged me out of the place that night, regardless of what I wanted. And doing so pretty much shows they felt they could have been liable, and giving me the heave-ho was better than admitting it.

    I have no desire to go back to this studio, and am checking out others. I keep coming up against the same uncompassionate mentality in every studio I join. Kind of insane trying to find a Bikram studio that *is* compassionate toward its students here in the States. This was the first studio whose instructors didn’t yell at me in class or single me out or make me feel bad – until the other night. But I was only there 2 weeks!

    Clone yourself, Gabrielle? 🙂

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