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    I love the classes where the teachers are NOT following the same dialogue, even SAME JOKES, day in and day out. It’s crazy-making. They don’t feel adaptable. Now I try to focus so hard on my breathing, how it feels–everything about it!–so that I hear them as a kind of fuzzy background.

    Jane1
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    The forehead is touching first, Gabrielle, because I’m pushing so hard to make that the case. :shut: (I’m not shutting my eyes as I do so, however.) Yes, and the knees try to come unsqueezed.

    How about once you’re down? Still I cannot close that space between the butt in the heels. I cannot FEEL, if that makes sense, what I must engage, in order to bring this about. I’ve been told it is core strength. And it is true: I have very little core strength.

    Namaste,
    Jane

    Jane1
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    in reply to: Teacher training #5430

    Oh, I thought this was a beautiful post, and I hope it is taken to heart.

    Namaste,

    Jane

    Jane1
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    in reply to: Teacher training #5428

    I could be wrong, but I think that if you want to be a Bikram instructor, and ADVERTISE AS SUCH, you MUST do Bikram Teaacher training. I’ve never done it so I cannot say anything about the training. I’ve had excellent teachers and what I also consider to be not so excellent teachers. But they have all done the Bikram training. How you will be as a teacher will depend on what YOU bring to the table.

    I have found (maybe it’s just a coincidence) that those teachers who KNOW the dialogue but who do not just repeat it incessantly, who have their own comments to make, which vary (some start saying their own comments/jokes over and over again!)are the best. Those that have been the best for me use the dialogue to set you up, but they’re not fearful of letting you have a quiet savasana, they’re not fearful of interjecting with an observation they have made which is APPLICABLE at the moment they are making it. The dialogue repeaters seem TO ME to be less present, not all of them. BUt most of them. But again, this is not, I suppose, due soley to teacher training. How you teach will depend on who you are. (Perhaps all the people that go to teacher training shouldn’t be teachers in the first place!)

    I’ve had excellent teachers who have made really good corrections and then others who just want to correct, and who get in the way of your practice. Again, Bikram, I suppose can’t necessarily teach a person good judgment! Some of the teachers have it; others definitely do not!

    I have observed that reading Hot Doctor comments has already helped me, esp. regarding my shoulders and locking out the arms. They always tell you to lock out the arms, lock out the arms, at the expense of what might be going on with your shoulders. I read on the Hot Doctor about relaxing the shoulders and strenghtening the fingers, even if the elbows do not completely lock out (in time, they will: sometimes I find Bikram teachers talk a lot about patience, but many do not actually have patience: they want to SEE, RIGHT THEN AND THERE YOUR ARMS LOCK OUT BECAUSE THEY’VE TOLD YOU TO DO SO! AGAIN THIS DEPENDS ON THE STUDIO and the teacher, his/her personality, and his/her background–not just teacher training). By following Gabrielle’s recommendations and relaxing my shoulders, my elbows actually lock out much better!

    I think that you’ll find that you pick up different information in different places, e.g. Standing Bow — I’ve been told by some Bikram teachers–and this does work for me–to kick up hard before ever even going down. Perhaps this is what is meant by the ‘the kick drives movement forward’. But some Bikram teachers do not emphasize this, instead saying that one go forward and kick at the same time, which is a different idea from the kick driving the movement forward. AS one Bikram teacher told me, by kicking first you get more of the bend in your back that you’re looking for. What I have found is that doing that, coupled with holding my extending arm straight, my hand reaching towards my middle eye, as one Bikram teacher put it to me, and my arms as locked out as I can, helps me to establish and maintain balance.

    My main point here is that I don’t think you will go Teacher Training, get the answers to ‘the questions’, end of story. You will always get new questions. But more to my point, you will be learning different things from different places– some of the ‘places’ may be your own experience DOING the practice. I think another good place is at the Hot Yoga Doctor.

    Namaste and good luck!

    Jane

    Jane1
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    Dear Gabrielle,

    I this post of yours in one of the other forums. You wrote:

    “However poor treatment or experiencing dogmatic teaching is not an uncommon occurrence. I won’t go into details but something similar happened to me to prompt me AND my husband to NEVER go back to a particular studio. I can tell you right now, that several readers from this forum have now abandoned their studio because the treatment was so bad, that they have now rented office space. They have formed a co-op where they can all get their yoga needs met!”

    Well, maybe this is what might happen (although the issue here is not poor treatment but the Bikram practice not being really respected.). Who knows? Another guy, who also travels and has done Bikram in other places, had already said to me last year that he was dissatisfied with how the Bikram was being delivered and that he was thinking about converting a room in his house into a Bikram room and that perhaps others might want to join in.

    One has to feel people out. I live in a small place, and this studio is small and gossipy (I don’t mean in a bad way. I just mean that people talk.). So you have to be careful. But this kind of co-op might be just the solution in the long run! If we couldn’t get one of the teachers to help us, we could use some of the tapes you offer. I really enjoyed using one of the downloads I got from you.

    Namaste,

    Jane
    PS Others might consider such a solution if they have too many problems with their Bikram studio.

    Jane1
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    Actually, I wasn’t shocked reading these posts, because I have been fortunate to have been able to visit various Bikram studios. What is described in the original post is absolutely the way things are in some of the studios. The teacher is the boss! You’re supposed to do what s/he says, no questions asked. They will badger and even try to humiliate people, and not even seem aware of what they’re doing. Or if they are aware, they seem not to care. It’s really quite incredible.

    However, I must say that all Bikram teachers, thankfully, are not like this and all studios are not such that they lend themselves to these behaviors. So, for example, I am pleased to say that I my experiences in the Santa Cruz studio were consistently wonderful. By ‘consistently wonderful’ I mean that every teacher — and they were all different — were respectful of both the practice (the times for poses were done correctly; the poses were done correctly) and of students: no one was bullied, humiliated; there was none of that drill-like military ‘discipline’ some studios I’ve gone to seem to thrive on. Further, the studio in Maui was also very good. All the teachers were good and two were absolutely excellent.

    Everyone is different. I find it interesting how those drill masters never are the ones who motivate me to work harder. It’s those who keep calm, who are very present who stimulate me to work harder and harder. They might check out whether you are okay, if you go down, but they do not badger you. They do not lose count when correcting students. Their voices do not have rise in an overbearing crescendo just because they’re telling you to lift your leg! Yes, those are the teachers I personally liked. Perhaps other people do like drill sergeants. In fact, I imagine that that is the case.

    I saw a post/reply here that suggests that the person providing the original post should just move on, chalk this up to experience, that maybe this isn’t for her… but it’s not that easy. There is no ONE Bikram experience. If one is lucky enough to live an area (say you live in San Franciso) where you can go to different studios,then you should really check out different places. I assure you, there really isn’t just one type of studio, one type of experience, one type of feeling. So, if you are in a position to do so, go look for that Bikram studio that matches your values. It ‘can’ really be such a lovely practice…

    … but yes, it can be awful too. So sad when one leaves a studio feeling disappointed (because one is not getting what Bikram is supposed to offer) or mad (because one has had to hear the voices of bullies for 90 minutes in an overcrowded room).

    Namaste
    Jane

    Jane1
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    Check out http://www.burrenyoga.com/mlu1238795096.html

    This is the Burren in Ireland. I haven’t gone, but really want to, not least because I adore Ireland. I bet it’s wonderful.

    Also check out: http://www.bikramyogaretreats.com/

    I think that if you go to this link it will take you to a retreat that’s coming up in the studio in Kauai. Again, haven’t been there. But I would love to.

    Namaste,
    Jane

    Jane1
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    Thanks Gabrielle for your thoughtful message.
    I agree completely with all that you are saying. You are right: it would be untenable to try to do the yoga in timeframes different from those they are giving. That would only lead to a conflictual situation.

    I have spoken with one of the teachers. She KNOWS, I think, that I’m not getting my needs met. But the owners set the agenda. And it’s interesting. You mentioned an ally on the teaching staff. Well, a new person did join a few months ago. She is/was excellent. It was clear after a week that she was no longer to teach the way she knows how to teach. I remember after the first class she taught students saying, “I can’t do her class!” So maybe there were complaints, especially given that these students would have never experienced Bikram method anywhere else. They thought she was over the top. Well, as I said, it was clear to everyone (not just me) that ‘something’ made her modify her teaching style a great deal, plus they cut back on her hours. Actually, it’s really a pity because the studio could work in such a way that you have the teachers who, from my point of view, do not respect Bikram timeframes, and they could attract the students who don’t know any better or who prefer class that way. Then they could have had a few alternative teachers; and I bet the strongest students would gravitate towards them.

    So I think it would be very find to ‘talk’ to an ally on the staff. I feel as though I would be putting such a person in a bad position, esp. given that I’ve seen already what has happened to her.

    Believe me if there were another option where I live I would vote with my feet. I think that what I’m going to have to do is work on other things in this yoga course. For example, the savasanas are long. So perhaps I will have to work on keeping my mind still; treat it as though it were a meditation course. (Still it’s disappointing. I know how hard I struggle to make it through a REAL warm-up. So when I walk out of that room, as I did yesterday, without that struggle, I know something is wrong. No, I didn’t all of sudden just get stronger in my practice.) I find–but you my think–and you would perhaps be correct–that if I go into this course with my mind pretty worn out from working really hard at something during the day I manage to –well not surrender– but just ignore the fact that I’m not really getting what I came for, and just take what I can get, which is still something.

    But really, I want to thank you for all your thoughts. Maybe I’ll start a new forum on a pose. Namely, half-tortoise. People want so desperately to do standing bow. I just want to get my butt to touch my heels. I’m wondering what I can do to work on that, in the yoga the room and outside of it! :red:

    Jane

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    Yeah, it is too bad. I have a friend who is deep into her Bikram practice and who would not even consider a job in my area because of the way it is practiced here. She tried doing what you suggested: going down in the poses earlier in order to get more time. This only brought her grief from the owners/teachers.

    Yes, all of our needs are not being met. And, in particular, the newcomers are attended to; although I would say that, in fact, by not providing the proper timing, their needs are not really being met.

    You are lucky. When Bikram classes are how they are supposed to be they’re harder, but they’re wonderful!

    Jane1
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    One more thing, Barky.

    Yes, you’re right. A good thing is to try to push to one’s limit each pose. I find however that this does not compensate for what is lost in long savasanas during work out.

    Yes, class is 1.5. But you see, you can do a 1.5 lesson, even get all the dialogue in BUT put it where YOU want it! That’s what they do, and then tend rush towards the end. So even in the ‘yoga’ part we’re often not getting what we need. In the yoga part it’s not that the savasanas are really too long, but some of the poses, usually Janushirasana with Paschimotthanasana and Ardha-Matsyendrasana, are done really quickly. There is really very little time to stretch. In the workout portion it’s really a pity that Dandayamana-Janushirasana is done in such a way that you’re coming up before you’ve gone down!

    As I said, I have traveled around, experienced other studios. I’ve used the Hot Yoga Doctor to see what the time-lengths on the poses, etc. are supposed to be. They’re doing it incorrectly at my studio, and when you’ve done it within Bikram time-frames you know how different it feels. I would suppose that the health benefits are different. One’s endurance level is definitely different.

    I just wonder that Bikram himself is not strict about this with respect to the people he has certified. Are the time-frames less important to the Bikram method than the sequence is? Would you happen to know that?

    Thanks,

    Jane

    Jane1
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    HI Barky,

    Thanks for the reply.

    Well, I have spoken to them. To no avail.
    Secondly, you must know how many Bikram teachers operate, and not just where I am. They take it PERSONALLY when you start a pose before they begin. Some teachers (not where I am) get angry–again seeming to take it personally– when you have to come up for a rest before THEY let you. The best teachers I’ve had (not at my studio) are not like this.

    But I WISH that I could go down before they let you, e.g. while they’re chatting between sets in the warm-up or between different poses in the warm-up. But I know they would get angry and HURT. Very odd.

    I’m open to all suggestions!

    Jane

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