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  • Gabrielle (The Hot Yoga Doctor)
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    Hello Christine

    You should be so pleased and proud of your own commitment to do 75 mins 5x per week. There is so little difference between the 75- and 90-minute classes. I would not worry for a moment. Even on a purely mathematical level, you are practising yoga for 15 mins more than you would with a 90-min class. And you’re doing it more frequently. On a practical level, 4 times or more per week is a magnificent effort and dedication to your health and wellbeing. It seems to me that you’re fitting in what you can. You could have just done a 30-min class but you went full-tilt and manage regularly 75 minutes! I applaud you!

    Namaste
    Gabrielle 🙂

    Gabrielle (The Hot Yoga Doctor)
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    Hello Naomi

    Welcome to the forum! I am happy you’ve found some helpful info.

    It’s a delicate balance. It’s great that you’ve been able to notice the different effects of the electrolyte supplements on your body. I’m grateful for the details.

    Consider the following: It’s worth reinstating the magnesium while you also reduce the additional sodium.

    • You definitely noticed that the high-sodium product had a negative effect. So, for a while, I would simply rely on dietary salt.
    • Magnesium may actually help you reduce your fluid retention so try adding that back in again. It should not have adverse effects if you follow directions for a supplement. Also, look at Mg-rich foods in your diet (greens, nuts, legumes, grains).
    • It should only take 1 – 2 days to reset the sodium levels. I might even consider NOT teaching or practising yoga in the hot room for those 2 days. Then return to the studio.
    • Add in a little sodium via electrolyte supplementation on a controlled basis and in very small steps. Leave 2 days between each change. Take notes or make observations.

    Chat with a GP to see what tests they recommend. You can have a blood test for Na and Mg. Urine tests (where it could be collected over a period) could be indicated if a more serious condition is suspected.

    The observations you’ve shared probably point to the more simple solutions! 🙂

    I would love to know what you discover.

    Namaste
    Gabrielle 🙂

    Gabrielle (The Hot Yoga Doctor)
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    Hello Paul

    What yoga are you practising and how often?

    Namaste
    Gabrielle 🙂

    Gabrielle (The Hot Yoga Doctor)
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    Hello Christine

    It’s true, the app has been discontinued. There are no current plans to make it available again.

    Thank you for the feedback on the use of the app with screen mirroring. You’re not the first to say you do this! (or… did this).

    One solution would be to rip the DVD to your phone. You are welcome to email me directly g…[email protected] and we’ll come up with a solution if the aforementioned suggestion doesn’t work for you. 😉

    Namaste
    Gabrielle

    Gabrielle (The Hot Yoga Doctor)
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    Hello Mandal

    Yoga, to quote a very oft-said phrase, is about listening to your body. When you do a challenge it is your responsibility to look after your wellbeing. Yoga is not about barreling through when your body is complaining, and worse when you feel that you are exacerbating a problem.

    That being said, 30-day and 60-day challenges are very doable. Yes, you do need recovery time for your muscles. I always recommend setting realistic rules for yourself such as this: Plan to do 7 classes per week (one each day) but be OK with only 6. Take a day off on any day you feel it’s necessary. Make that day one per each rolling 7-day block at a maximum. If you do feel like a day off, take it, if you don’t, just keep going. If you do take more than one day off in a 7-day period, then restart your challenge another time. No big deal.

    There is no point in a challenge if you harm yourself in the process. I have (personally) known people who have managed happily to do a class each day for weeks, months, and even whole years. Remember, it’s about having ecological goals that make you stronger physically, not just mentally. If you can’t make improvements or at least sustain a status quo in your whole system and things get worse, you need to ask yourself why you’re doing it.

    Namaste
    Gabrielle 🙂

    Gabrielle (The Hot Yoga Doctor)
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    Hi Kris

    That’s concerning, and annoying too. Would drive anyone insane. No doubt you have tried everything. I do have to ask questions if that’s OK.

    How many times per week are you going to class?

    Is the problem occurring after every class without exception?

    What pathology tests have been carried out to consider low-grade chronic infection from any cause?

    I assume you’ve considered the type of underwear you wear… cotton versus synthetic, and thong versus knickers.

    Is there anything else you can tell me?

    Namaste
    Gabrielle 🙂

     

     

    Gabrielle (The Hot Yoga Doctor)
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    in reply to: Is this too hot? #31470

    Hello again!

    I’m interested to know at what level (altitude) your thermometer is measuring the temperature. We recommend positioning sensors mid-height. If your device is on the floor, and hot air rises then it is possible that the temperatures are higher at head level. That’s why I am enquiring.

    I no longer recognise any of the names or faces of anyone at BY London. It’s unfortunate that some businesses, no matter how small or large, develop ‘cultures’ that are not favourable. Many bikram teachers have a collective approach which is not in keeping with the practice of yoga (note for readers to see initial response above for details, if reading this as a standalone comment without reading the context). You can only try to reason and state your case with someone who is sympathetic to the problems you’re having on a personal level, but more importantly, someone who is willing to zoom out to see that the basic precepts are being sacrificed in order to ‘challenge’ students physiologically in a game of survival rather than lead them in a yoga class. Hopefully, you can find some allies and get back to a safe, gratifying and satisfying yoga practice.

    Namaste
    Gabrielle 🙂

     

    Gabrielle (The Hot Yoga Doctor)
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    in reply to: Is this too hot? #31465

    Hello Timbra

    What an unfortunate situation to have to even contemplate such a decision. I have questions to help us formulate a plan…

    How can you tell what the temperature and humidity are at any one time? Please tell me whether it’s your device, theirs, and if it’s theirs, where are the sensors located?

    Are you the only person experiencing these difficulties? You must know from reading other posts that I am totally against super-heating the room. It will be interesting to know what’s going on for the rest of classes you attend. Do you see people “dropping like flies”? Are there people routinely leaning over, hands on knees and looking like they have to catch their breath? Are there people sitting out of poses, either one set or two?

    I agree with you that you are likely experiencing mild heat exhaustion.

    Please respond when you can.

    To answer your final question, I don’t think it’s good for your health to persevere.

    Here are my other thoughts which I may embellish with your answers to the above questions.

    You are experiencing real adverse effects and just saying to yourself that “you can do this”, “you can work through this” is not the answer. And if that’s what you’re teachers are implying, then they are not teaching yoga, they’re running an exercise class, albeit a dodgy one.

    If temperature and humidity were controlled at a safe level, then “working through” stuff is all about fighting the sabotaging effect of your wonderful brain/mind.

    But what we all have to remember, and what your studio has a HUGE responsibility to remember, is that safety of ALL customers is key. Not just the safety of people who can bear super-heated conditions.

    The signs you are talking about (the symptoms you are experiencing) are real, and they are deleterious to your health.

    Moreover, and this is a BIG point, what are you doing yoga for? What are you constantly being told to do by the very teachers, the very studio that is causing your physiology harm? Constantly you are told to “listen to your body”. Your body is throwing up a flare, raising a big ol’ red flag. It’s saying without any shadow of a doubt that the room is not just too hot, it is dangerously hot.

    If you want to do some easy research, look for some information about the ability for the body to deal with a 42 degree C temperature. Hmmm.

    Are you participating in some kind of televised Ninja Competition, where the most resilient elite athlete prevails at the end, who has punishingly put their body through the most arduous of courses? No! You are practising yoga. Not a gladiatorial sport.

    If it were me, I would collect some more evidence (which you may already have because you’ve been observing conditions around you, and probably talking with your fellow students) and then calmly have a conversation about YOGA with your studio owner and manager. Make an appointment. If you find people who are of like mind, take them with you if you like, or at least represent them. Talk about the 8 limbs of yoga, and really focus on the mindfulness aspect and that of listening to the body. Gently point out that while you love this practice and you love their studio, you are wondering if the pursuit of the highest temperature class they can provide is compromising the true values of yoga. You cannot be the only person who is suffering here.

    The very word yoga, means divine union of mind, body and spirit. It celebrates a oneness and harmony. You are supposed to be achieving a high state of consciousness. You are supposed to find a steadiness of mind to allow you to achieve a meditative state (to quote a yoga term, that is Dharana, the 6th limb of yoga). Your practice is supposed to calm and unite the mind, body and spirit with tranquility, self-awareness and inner peace. This is the seventh limb Dhyana.

    How are you supposed to do all that while your physiological survival mechanisms are dominating because of the physical conditions in the room? You have no control over these crucial survival mechs, because they are automatic, and activate your Sympathetic Nervous System, instead of the yoga helping you to calm yourself by engaging your Parasympathetic Nervous System.

    Alrighty, you’ve got the gist, I’m sure.

    Get back to me with your thoughts. Your practice at that studio is currently unsustainable.

    Just rereading what you said… Another point, it is your teacher’s responsibility to be observing the students and their wellbeing. It speaks volumes about the attitude where you approach the teacher and say the room is too hot, and that you’ve found it difficult, and for them to brush you off and say it’s ok, implying it’s your fault you can’t cope.

    If they’re really focusing on a good experience, then surely they want to grow their business. A low temperature, even around 35C with a 50% humidity delivers you the physiological challenge without it being a survival challenge.

    Another problem occurs to me… The body cools itself in several ways, (you should be able to find it on the forum) convection and evaporative cooling are 2 of them. With an ultra-high temperature of 46, it’s burning off a lot of the humidity and making it REALLY hard for you to cool your body. Danger! With a lower temp of say 35, the humidity is there to create the sweat and as the class progresses the humidity may increase to a level that makes it harder to cool but it doesn’t cause an unsustainable or dangerous condition if the temp is sufficiently low. With that increase in humidity, there is a perception that the temperature has increased. You can heat a room to a temperature that feels hot even though it’s under 40.

    Here’s a scenario: one person takes a break. Teacher looks at the conditions. They deem it’s ok. They continue with everything unchanged. If 2 people or more are taking breaks, leaning over, looking exhausted etc (you know the signs) then the teacher should be checking and RESPONDING to those signs. When this happens are you seeing the teacher cracking a window or 2, putting on circulating fans (to assist evaporative cooling and convection cooling), opening a door, turning down the temperature or turning off the heaters? How responsive are your teachers?

    What you’re after is a return of the immense satisfaction you’ve experienced in the past. The room MUST be safe for everyone. If the temperature is at a physiologically safe level (BELOW 40 and I suggest actually 35 – body temp, which you’ll notice is under 40!!!) and a person cannot handle that, then that’s not a survival problem. That’s a preference not to do yoga in the heat. There’s a difference! That person can choose a different studio or style. That’s not you. You just need to demand safety in a hot yoga room! A lower than 40C temp (with an appropriate humidity level!) allows the upward movement of temperature that occurs with a whole lot of bodies practising hot yoga in the room, without the temp or heat index rising to dangerous levels.

    Okey dokey, that’s enough for today

    Namaste
    Gabrielle 🙂

    Gabrielle (The Hot Yoga Doctor)
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    Hello Anandhi

    It’s very normal to feel a constriction to the breath during a backbend. It can be harder to physically get air in because of the extension and the effects on the chest, ribs, abdomen. There are many factors that would give different answers to many individuals (including the quality of one’s breathing practice,  experience, capacity and more). But I have a couple of hunches and ideas so let’s start there.

    There are major issues with lifting up the arms over the head AND bringing the hands together. For MANY people, they lift arms up and the action of bringing hands together encourages the shoulders to rise up from their functional position of shoulders down and back (flowing down the spine).  You really need to make sure your shoulders are away from the ears at every opportunity. My suggestion is that you raise the arms up, focus on keeping the shoulder blades down and back and the shoulders away from the ears. Try it even without doing a backbend to test this all out. When you bring the hands together, you may notice a couple of things. You may discern the shoulders lifting (even a tiny bit) and the other sign is if you notice that to bring the hands together, the CHIN drops ever so slightly.

    If either of these things are happening (even a TINY bit) then your job is to keep the hands apart. Try instead to have the arms vertical, up from the shoulders. Keep those shoulders firmly planted down and back. Your palms can face in if you like. Only ever bring your hands together (or indeed your arms as close) as much as you can always keep the shoulders down away from the ears, AND your chin staying parallel to the floor or neck long.

    Here’s a neat trick that you must try: feel the difference between when your arms travel upwards both without and with your hands energised. The secret is to energise the baby finger. There is a connective tissue connection from the baby finger to the shoulder blades that you WILL feel activate when you activated that baby finger as you bring the arms over the head, and approach the hands. Equally, you will feel your down-dogs markedly improve when you press your baby fingers into the ground. So often I only hear teachers indicate that pressure is placed through the thumb and forefingers. Add in the baby finger, switch on this amazing body reflex for this magic.

    Let me know if I was on the right track or if it is something else that is preventing you from moving through your backbends with ease.

    Summary and an extra point: shoulders down and back. Never let the chin drop forward when you are in a backbend. A chin drop usually means tightness in the shoulders and a shortening of the neck, and that can actually mean your accessory breathing muscles are engaging. Use of accessory breathing muscles means you are moving into sympathetic nervous system reflexes of FFF and your breathing moves into your upper lungs. With a chin drop, your eyes will drop forward too (even if only a tiny bit), instead of looking up and back behind you (in the direction you’re going). All these things conspire to make your backbends hard, tension-filled and difficult to breathe.

    Only ever go back as far as those shoulder, chin and eye signs allow! Ah yes! Should be much easier!

    Namaste
    Gabrielle 🙂

    Gabrielle (The Hot Yoga Doctor)
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    Hello S

    I hope you don’t mind, but I need some clarification. Sometimes there’s a mix-up of the conditions PF Disorder or Dysfunction. I just want to confirm if your issue is an over- or under-engagement of PF muscles. It’s possible that your therapy is to help you relax or tighten those PF muscles. You’ve given clues, but I don’t want to make any assumptions.

    Namaste
    Gabrielle 🙂

    Gabrielle (The Hot Yoga Doctor)
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    Hello Juan Two Breathe (!)

    Thank you so very much for your kind words. My apologies for not getting back to you… family stuff (which has improved somewhat). You ask an important question. And without delving further (which we will do) it seems you could be experiencing low-grade chronic heat exhaustion. You are in a hot room for somewhere like 28 or 30 hours. How hot is it in there? It’s a good place to start. I will look out for your response. I promise. 😉

    Namaste
    Gabrielle 🙂

    Gabrielle (The Hot Yoga Doctor)
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    Hello!

    Interesting! I am pretty sure I know what the problem is. Let me ask you for some details to confirm.

    Please detail for me your grip for Half Moon (and other similar grip poses).  Put yourself into the pose now and tell me if your focus is more on your palms and fingers together, or your thumbs crossed? What are you aiming for in your grip and what exact instructions are you trying to embody?

    And please describe how you hold your hands in Standing Head to Knee, and Floor Head to Knee. To what extent do you make sure your thumbs are crossed in the grip of these poses?

    Namaste
    Gabrielle 🙂

    Gabrielle (The Hot Yoga Doctor)
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    Hello Jacqueline

    Thank you for asking for clarification.

    Knee to wrist (left to left first side) is what you do. It does sound like I corrected myself with an instruction of left foot to left wrist. No wonder you’re confused! The second side I say knee to wrist again! So, do knee to wrist both sides.

    You will then allow the outside of that leg to lay on the floor, bent, landing with heel crossing the midline of the body. It’s very comfortable for 99% of people when the leg is bent a lot (heel nearer to the right hip on first side).

    If you’re after more of a deep stretch, an opening, then you’ll hear me say words to the effect…to increase the stretch, open the angle of the bent leg. The closer your left heel is towards the right hand, the deeper the stretch, and it can also be sore. So, use that resistance as an indication of how far to go. In this class I instruct to simply sit in the pose. However, you can even walk the hands forward and lie on the floor, forehead to floor, arms either outstretched or folded.

    The fullest expression of the leg component (which most people will NOT be able to do) is with shin of bent leg square to hips (or front of room or mat) positioned between both hands AND with foot flexed! And on top of that lying down on the floor, without the hip of long leg lifting at all! But that’s just where people head.

    You want both hips square to the front. If the hip of the straight leg lifts, then that is definitely a sign that you should bend the leg MORE and bring the heel closer to the hip. If it’s super comfortable, or dare I say, too easy, with leg bent, foot near hip, then just open that leg until you feel a little resistance.

    You can see photos of various permutations of this pose by researching Pigeon or Half Pigeon pose.

    I truly hope that helps you.

    Namaste
    Gabrielle 🙂

    Gabrielle (The Hot Yoga Doctor)
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    Hello! thank you so much for your recent posts. Great information. I would love to know how big a room you’re heating! Oh, and what temperature can you set your heater to?

    Namaste
    Gabrielle 🙂

    Gabrielle (The Hot Yoga Doctor)
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    Hello Julie

    Sounds like you have the perfect set-up for a tiny price. Thank you so much for posting this. I am positive it will help many people.

    And thank you for the lovely compliment. You made my day.

    Oh, you know what would be great to know…I know it’s an infrared heater but…What are the dimensions of your room? (Height included.) Did you do anything special to insulate or enclose the space? Any other hints you think might help others would be awesome. If you did nothing else in particular, then that’s a great answer too. 😀

    Namaste
    Gabrielle 🙂

    Gabrielle (The Hot Yoga Doctor)
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    Hello Chaya

    I am not at all familiar with sauna kits. Maybe you can tell me/us a little about what they include. I don’t want to discount that without knowing a little more. Without knowing more about them (including investment etc) I would probably go the inexpensive option first. I would look at well-priced large capacity humidifiers… Go up-spec on recommendations for your size room. Insulate really well and see how you fare. It’s hard to be more specific because models change all the time and yoga machinery is less my expertise than the yoga itself! 😀 😀 😀 Haha. If sauna kits are, say, hundreds of dollars compared with a $70 humidifier, then that may be a consideration.

    Namaste
    Gabrielle 🙂

    Gabrielle (The Hot Yoga Doctor)
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    Hi Stef

    You of course have been avoiding bending over into Standing Head to Knee. But you can do something rather than avoid poses. In this case, stand firm on both engaged legs and bend up one knee (instead of rounding down!) and use interlocked fingers (never interlocked thumbs, just let them do what they do) and hold the knee. Stay standing, standing leg ‘locked’. Allow the weight of the bent leg to create traction in your arms as you stand there, foot relaxed,  chest lifted, shoulders down and back. It’s amazingly therapeutic. Tell me if you need more explanation. It should feel great.

    Instead of going into Standing Sep Leg Intense Stretch with a straight back, you should enter with chin to the chest and ROUNDING down, as if it were Sep Leg Head to Knee. By all means step out and then round down (this will protect your back), then, when you’re down to the floor, BEND the legs (do NOT keep them straight, but you must now straighten the back) slide the hands down the back of the calf muscles to get the fingers under the feet from behind or a little out to the side of the heel angling in. Never ever hold the feet from the side of the foot. And now depending on your flexibility you’re either going to look a little like a frog, or your legs will be straight. EITHER WAY your back should be straight. It’s just like Padahastasana but with your legs apart.

    If your back is having an issue in Triangle, then don’t step out as far. Work on traction. I have pictures of this in my manual and can explain more. This is why I am asking you to tell me if you have any of my resources.

    Do tell me what other poses you are wary of. I could make this post VERY long indeed if I take a shotgun approach and wrote something for every pose but that may be unnecessary. Let me know what other poses require assistance and I will get back to you.

    Hope that gets you started.

    Namaste
    Gabrielle 🙂

    PS I posted this a week ago and found it must have hung and not posted.

    Gabrielle (The Hot Yoga Doctor)
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    Hi Megan

    Thank you so much for all the details. Yes, I think the decision has to come down to you and your comfort level. I am very pleased you’ve found some useful guidance on my website.

    I too think 115 degrees F is too high. For anyone. For one, combine the high temp with mid-levels of humidity and the conditions serve up a whopping great Heat Index score that is probably a reason you’ve felt faint at times.

    Feeling faint is not advisable for any student. It’s especially not advisable (or is not a good sign or something you should unnecessarily put up with) when you’re pregnant.

    Consulting your yoga teacher may not get you anywhere. I could be wrong. They could tell you they are happy to reduce the temperature to a reasonable body temp (98ish), but my experience is they are more likely to tell you the temperature is what it’s supposed to be. (Which we know not to be the truth because (if they use the bikram level specified) it’s just a repeated myth that Bikram is performed at a set temperature of 105F.) They may also say “well, nobody else complains and so we’re not changing it.”

    Those excuses don’t pass the test for me. Science shows us that 115 is too high. We can get an excellent challenge and that wonderful sweat by manipulating the environment with lower temps and mid-range humidity. And at those levels EVERYONE is safe. Pop the temp up and in normal circumstances, maybe a few people are at high or moderate risk (and maybe more). Are they willing to put up with heightening the risk, even if for a few people?

    Several years ago, a man on the forum complained of a sore neck where he couldn’t turn his head after class and he experienced a little dizziness/confusion after class. He was in all likelihood playing with a deathly scenario. He was unwilling to admit the super high temps would be the reason largely because nobody else was complaining.

    Another litmus test is to ask you these questions: Can all students get through the class without a break? Are there people who have to stop for a breather every so often? Some people use the expression ‘dropping like flies’ or ‘taking a knee’. Anything like that happening in your studio?

    As I sit here writing this to you, I realise you can use the Bikram dogma ingrained in so many teachers and studios to support your case. You could approach them and say: “In most Bikram or hot yoga websites the world over, the temperature quoted is 105F . You appear to be heating to 115F. What is the rationale for going above and beyond the 105F? And why, if heat stroke and irreversible damage COULD reasonably occur in students whose body temperatures rise above 40C or 104F would you be risking students’ health?”

    I believe 105F is unnecessarily high and introduces physiological challenge way beyond a more therapeutic 98 level and provides a mental challenge that requires you to STOP listening to your body–so completely goes against yogic principles.

    If you’re used to bypassing your body’s signals, how will you be being pregnant?

    I suggest that you look up hyperthermia (not hypothermia) and heat stroke.

    This is copied from Wikipedia for you:

    Exertional Heat Stroke

    “Significant physical exertion in hot conditions can generate heat beyond the ability to cool, because, in addition to the heat, humidity of the environment may reduce the efficiency of the body’s normal cooling mechanisms.[8] Human heat-loss mechanisms are limited primarily to sweating (which dissipates heat by evaporation, assuming sufficiently low humidity) and vasodilation of skin vessels (which dissipates heat by convection proportional to the temperature difference between the body and its surroundings, according to Newton’s law of cooling). Other factors, such as insufficient water intake, consuming alcohol, or lack of air conditioning, can worsen the problem.

    “The increase in body temperature that results from a breakdown in thermoregulation affects the body biochemically. Enzymes involved in metabolic pathways within the body such as cellular respiration fail to work effectively at higher temperatures, and further increases can lead them to denature, reducing their ability to catalyse essential chemical reactions. This loss of enzymatic control affects the functioning of major organs with high energy demands such as the heart and brain.”

    As far as yoga poses are concerned, I think it’s generally what you’re comfortable with. If you’re TTC there really isn’t a pose I can think of I wouldn’t do. You won’t be lying on your tummy at some point during your pregnancy. For me that was half way.

    I’m wondering if there’s another studio where you can test what it’s like to practise at a temp of <100F. I would be so curious to see if you sweat as much. Generally after 2 weeks of commencing your practice, your acclimatization process is about over and the sweating settles down. Did that happen to you at all, or did you always sweat a lot. Of course, I imagine you realise you need to compensate for lost electrolytes. Are you taking something?

    You see, you may not be a ‘salty sweater’ but you could–like thousands of hot yogis around the world–have low grade chronic heat exhaustion. Not enough to make you obviously sick but enough to have some effect. That’s why I am asking you if you could try practising in conditions that are not as hot to see if we can rule heat exhaustion out.

    I know this may scare you a bit, but I would rather you be aware of the risks and make an informed decision. I did another search and came up with a neat page for you to read here:

    https://www.emedicinehealth.com/heat_exhaustion_vs_heat_stroke_comparison/article_em.htm#what_causes_heat_exhaustion_and_heat_stroke

    Interested to hear your thoughts on all the above and read answers to some of those questions!

    Namaste
    Gabrielle 🙂

     

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    Hi Stef

    Thank you for the excellent detailed information. A busy few hours while I take care on an urgent matter. I’ll be back.

    Quick question… just in case I am able to reference my resources… do you happen to own my manual or app or pose tutorials? It may shortcut some explanations.

    See you back here soonish

    Namaste
    Gabrielle 🙂

    Gabrielle (The Hot Yoga Doctor)
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    in reply to: Medial knee pain #22636

    Hello

    When you say your left knee has been hurting in toe stand, can you confirm whether it hurts on both sides or when your left leg is the supporting leg, or the supported (upper) leg? I think you mean it is when your left leg is doing the supporting and its bearing the weight of the body, but I would rather know for sure.

    Also you say there is pain when your foot crosses over your right leg. You have my book and so if you’re following directions there, you would be trying not to get your foot to go past your femur. Yes? I would have more questions with that too but let’s take one step at a time!

    In spinal twist…left knee pain both sides? Or when the left leg is bent on the floor or when it is upper leg?

    How is your knee now (3 weeks after you initially posted… sowwy)? and what gives it relief? Is it fine when you avoid these three poses? Are there other times in your life where your knee hurts?

    Namaste
    Gabrielle 🙂

    Gabrielle (The Hot Yoga Doctor)
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    That’s a very hypothesis interesting Katherine. Thanks for your input. Hadn’t thought of that one. Would that mean that a very hot shower could cause the same problem? A question I have for you about the inversion factor is how aware of your shoulders and their state of relaxation are you? I notice many students invert and find difficulty in releasing their shoulders especially if it involves grip/traction/pulling.

    Namaste
    Gabrielle 🙂

    Gabrielle (The Hot Yoga Doctor)
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    Very much appreciated feedback, Robert.

    Keep it up! You’ll notice that paying attention to this small detail has flow-on effects on those other poses (and in fact, most of the others because you’re using the correct physiological mechanisms). The results are evident in your whole practice very quickly. You’ll probably also be lying back soon too!

    Namaste
    Gabrielle 🙂

    Gabrielle (The Hot Yoga Doctor)
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    in reply to: Sore Hips #22501

    Hi Robert

    I was in Sydney! I should have just continued on to Canberra and caught up! 😀

    You are definitely motivated in staying fit and healthy. I am going to “pick apart” your words and ask questions now. Some things will need more investigation. I also need to compare what you’re doing with the techniques in the Hot Yoga MasterClass book. It will be a handy reference to find out specifics of your practice.

    Triangle pose. You mention “pushing the hips forward”: This is a classic strict Bikram dialog utterance and is not helpful to the pose. This pose needs firm lower body position which you set up when you step out to the side and bend the leg. You start with hips facing the mirror and once they are set in position, you keep them there. Think instead of hips opening to the side, or hips parallel to the mirror/front. When you tilt the arms and bring upper body into position the legs do not change. The command to now push hips forward often has people rolling the outstretched leg. With this movement the twist in the spine is unwound. Now, for you, you’ll want to make sure the weighting of your feet is optimal in order to distribute the weight effectively through all your joints. For example, check in to your feet next time and see how much of your toes take the weight. (They shouldn’t! But many people shift weight out of their heels which could lift of the floor if they put their minds to it! Some even put so much weight in that foot the other leg takes barely no weight at all. Instead think of driving weight through bent leg heel (where that leg is in delicate balance with the various traction lines you’re creating). An issue I would also like you to pay attention to is how far you’re pushing your knee back with your arm. These are all potential things that could affect your hips. Last thing for now, where exactly on your arm does it touch at the knee in the tilt? Has your aim been to get fingertips between the toes, or create another measurable leg/arm relationship you can relay?

    Standing Sep Leg Intense Stretch. You said “Now I can get my hands under my feet, and I really feel it in the glutes.” What were you doing with your hands before you got them under your feet? Where exactly are you placing your hands and in what direction are the fingers pointing?

    Standing Sep Leg Head to Knee. Yes that hip stretch is a good one! Can you tell me if you are able to completely square your hips to the ceiling when you are in this pose? Do you always bring hands to prayer in one or both sets?

    I’ll wait for your answers to these questions before I start drawing conclusions.

    Namaste
    Gabrielle 🙂

     

     

     

    Gabrielle (The Hot Yoga Doctor)
    Forum Owner
    Post count: 3048
    in reply to: Sore Hips #22489

    Hi Robert

    Thanks for posting. As is my way…I need to ask questions. So, I really need some detail on what it means to “push poses like triangle quite hard.”

    I understand you’re motivated to do the best you can, what I need is specific detail. Get the ball rolling and I will ask questions until I get what you’re doing (technically).

    If you can break down what you’re doing for different poses and make those lists pose-specific, that will be greatly appreciated.

    I can’t be sure if what you’re doing is good for your hip health just yet. I am going to have to ascertain at certain points how what you’re doing is translating to create the right conditions in your body.

    Also please tell me exactly where you’re feeling that muscle soreness.

    Namaste
    Gabrielle 🙂

    Gabrielle (The Hot Yoga Doctor)
    Forum Owner
    Post count: 3048

     

    Hi Trefor

    What you are describing is in fact unconscionable behavior. It is reckless and dangerous. To heat a room intentionally to such high levels where only 2 people are left standing is a blatant CLUE. How can they not see that a change to the teacher’s approach is what is required, NOT that of the student? If you go to yoga, it is reasonable to expect you can finish any class you start. Taking a break is not an issue, unless it’s because the conditions are not conducive to yoga but more to an ironman competition.

    My number one rule for when I teach and what I teach my trainees, is that everyone in the room is SAFE. The temperature is not dangerous at body temp plus a degree or 2 max. The humidity can then be played with to get the right feeling. Yup, the feeling, or perception that you’re in a hot room and being appropriately physiologically challenged. In fact, you can have the temp at 34-35C / 93-95F and boost the humidity to about 60-70% and I guarantee you’ll feel as satisfied as when the room is at body temp and 40-50%.

    You’d also be aware of the trigger points where core temperature gets so high that irreversible damage is caused and death could occur. Why risk it? Is that YOGA? I am sure yoga is about being mindful. And ‘mindful’ has to be a 2-way street. In other words, the students must be mindful of what is going on and managing response to instruction, movement, breath, and how they feel. Teachers must be mindful of the environment, the effect of that environment on students, the effect of their words. It’s not good enough to know the ‘dialog’ one must know how to adapt it so that it instructs EVERY person in the class, not just say the words that pertain to those doing what they think is ideal pose (which is actually what the ‘dialog’ does). You have obviously learned classes to the dialog and while I don’t condone parroting the dialog, one can get amazing results when one is taught to break down the intent of every pose and instruct so that every student can employ the correct mechanisms each and every pose, so they actually do get the benefits at EVERY moment. I’ve gone to other public studios for 2 decades and watched countless students miss out on getting taught what would benefit them even more deeply, because the teacher can only teach to the script. People kicking out in Standing Head to Knee because it’s instructed and expected, even when they are not ready and can’t lock out the standing leg or even touch their foot. Or people in PadaHastasana who are locking their legs out and they don’t have the basics covered. The list of similar examples goes on and on. But, enough about all that.

    I don’t need to tell you that there must be so many people in those studios who have low grade (or higher) chronic heat exhaustion.

    Yet, the really odd thing: If you ask anyone why they go to hot yoga, it’s because of the how they feel after class. All it takes is a tweak of conditions for everyone to feel great in and out of the room, and from beginning to end of class (notwithstanding the vicissitudes of practice!).

    Regarding the exact temperature: Bikram NEVER, EVER, ever said it should be a particular temperature. To say it is traditionally 115 is just such a load of BS. He turned the heaters on and that was it. It was a hot room. (We seem to concur on this point.) Then sometime early this century, somebody started touting a figure and shared this idea with Bikram and it’s become some kind of hot yoga lore ever since. The figure bandied around is 105F and 40% humidity. (Notice… that’s not 115! :D)

    The whole problem with setting a rigid high level is once people start to practise, the room gets more humid. It’s not unusual to have humidity rise to 70+%. This alters the heat index and voila, more dangerous conditions. I don’t see teachers reducing the temp often. Sometimes they open a window or a door.

    What to do?

    One thing is to practise and stay focused, follow the cues of the teacher for entry and exit and don’t obviously go ahead of them. And perform a safe practice. You have absolutely no obligation to follow poor instruction especially if it causes you to ignore what your body is telling you. On the contrary, you have to practise what is right for you within the demands and intents of the poses themselves. I do this every time I go to a public studio. I ignore poor instruction and at the same time I am respectful of the teacher. But they also have to show you respect. That is a given in any student-teacher relationship. Following the cues (rather than the minutiae of incorrect instruction) means for the most part, nobody will notice you.

    I just have to ask: How can studio owners or teachers be so disrespectful that they can’t engage you in meaningful conversation about this important issue? It seems that the more you say, the more they dig their heels in despite the evidence (which by the way is a very predictably irrational response to arguments. It’s also possible that on some level they are trying to defend themselves against what they could perceive as an accusatory approach).

    I would certainly be interested to know more about your approach to them. You said: “I’ve talked with many teachers telling them what they are doing is wrong and dangerous.” It’s very hard to know from those few words if your approach was a little heated (haha) or if you’re the epitome of diplomacy. I have a feeling you’ve had enough and feel unhappy that nobody is listening to you. It’s hard to enter into a negotiation like that.

    On fans: They don’t actually cool the room down as much as provide the means for cooling the body down, due to evaporative cooling. (Evap cooling is one of three major ways the body cools itself.) Not having the fans on means no evaporative cooling. That’s ok in lower temperature rooms, but at very high heat index, particularly where HUMIDITY is high, it’s not safe to shut off a major avenue for body cooling. My suggestion would be to have the fans on the lowest setting (at least) and set the fans to summer mode. The increased circulation of air will help manage the real risk of increased core temperatures.

    I would love for you to post links or quotes from those studies you mention regarding core temp and bulky folk. Evidence would also indicate people with larger stores of adipose tissue can be at risk of higher core temps. In both cases, the body needs a chance to cool and conditions can still be hot enough for ‘hot yoga’ to feel hot enough and be safe.

    I don’t think you’re ranting. You bring up some extremely relevant points and you should be heard. I think you know what’s going on in the room and in your body.

    Let me know how you’ve approached those teachers and maybe we can come up with something that they won’t feel threatened by. In my experience, they’re defending their decisions. It’s hard to save face and take a different approach. It takes humility. That applies to both sides of any communication.

    Namaste
    Gabrielle 😊

     

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