Lower back pain do not heal and I am strange…

Lower back pain do not heal and I am strange…2008-11-23T17:46:07+00:00
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  • Stefan
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    I have posted here before, but here is a fresh start and updates on my condition.

    I had lower backpain for 20 years, but in early 2000 I learned Bikram Yoga and was within 1 year free from pain and then no real problems for about 6 years. Once in a while I hurt my back, strained something, but a few days with the Bikram yoga home practice healed me.

    June this year I woke up one morning with stiffness in lower back, and it was not as before. Stiffness and pain have followed me since then and Bikram Yoga have not helped, and neither have chiropractic. I have taken some anti-inflammatory from western school medicine and also Ayurvedic Boswellia. Nothing helps. I also tried other poses and stretching but none helped. I also took off 1 week from Bikram Yoga and skateboarding, but it did not help at all.

    My chiropractor is very puzzled, because my problem is strange:

    – Pain and stiffnes when I lay flat on back with legs extended.
    – Pain and stiffness when I stand up or walk.

    I can hardly do my skateboarding shows and contests. I warm up and down with sun salutations and the short Bikram Yoga pick-me-up-set. I also follow Ayurvedic guidelines for exersice that I learned from John Douillard, author of “Body, Mind and Sports”.

    I am painfree and flexible:

    – When I sit on a chair for extended periods of time. I get flexible from sitting on a chair…!
    – I get painless and more flexible when walking with a heavy backpack (without, I get stiff and experience pain).

    Today I bought the Bikram Yoga dialogue on iTunes. Good and fun to hear him again (Took a class with Bikram 2 years ago). It was good also as I don’t have a studio where I live. But it was 30 min extra… my home practice takes 60 min (or 30 when doing poses once).

    BUT, I always get pain from Bikram Yoga in my lower back these days. All backbends except Fixed firm pose (but my butt do not reach the floor).

    I get tremendous pain and stiffness from the Bow Pose. It last until I am finished and have sit down for some time on a chair or sofa. With the diaogue on iTunes it got even worse, as poses are many times hold longer than the 10-20 seconds outlined i the book (confusing…).

    Please help!

    Stefan “Lillis” Åkesson
    http://www.switchevents.com

    Stefan
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    Today my back is worse than ever. All backbends in the series seem to aggravate the stiffness and pain and also the balancing stick. Fixed firm not too bad however.

    I have tried to rest 1 week, but that did not help.

    Should do all poses BUT the backbends for some time?

    Gabrielle (The Hot Yoga Doctor)
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    Hi Stefan

    From your other posts you have said you have been to a chiropractor. Has anyone taken x rays of your back yet?

    I am really concerned for you and wonder what else it could be, like you (and like your chiropractor). I REALLY want to help but am so wanting to know more. It is hard for me because I am forced to assume certain things about your practice and your technique only by the words you offer. For example I have been assuming that you practice perfect yoga technique. This may or may not be true. There could be little things that cause problems.

    On top of this, you have a profession that I can only guess has caused some effects in your spine. Over 20 years of professional skateboarding with those wonderful trick maneuvers and all that world class competition skating must have done something. The trick is to find out IF this is the case – and if it is something that needs attention – WHAT can be done about it.

    I know for one, if it were me, I would feel so much better if I had all the information I could get about what is going on (from Western as well as Eastern medicine doctors).

    I wonder if it is a problem with the vertebral discs, or maybe even a core strength issue. As you say there are unusual ways that your back is responding to regular activities like walking and sitting. Are you getting a sense that it is a muscular or bony problem?

    What are you thinking Stefan?

    Namaste
    Gabrielle 🙂

    Gabrielle (The Hot Yoga Doctor)
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    Oops…. or maybe a nerve problem?

    Namaste
    Gabrielle 🙂

    Stefan
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    Thank you very much for your support and willingness to help.

    I have an appointment with a doctor december 9. He will most likley prescribe stonger anti-inflammatory than what I have tried. And maybe x-ray my back. My chiropractor says first try stronger anti-inflammatory and if that not helps, x-ray the back.

    I can’t figure out if it is bone or muscular problem.

    BUT now, when I have been sitting down for a few hours and stand up, it feels the pain have moved from left side to the right side a bit.

    Gabrielle (The Hot Yoga Doctor)
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    Hi Stefan

    It is not too long to wait til your appointment. I would consider not doing any poses that are aggravating to your back. And if your intuition is to not do the yoga at all, then don’t. Just do what feels right. You have been doing this yoga for years. You decide.

    Also it does seem unusual for a practitioner to say ‘take stronger pills and if that doesn’t work, I will take x rays’.I don’t have the full story so I cannot comment more than that. A full work up for your condition is what really seems to be needed right now.

    Namaste
    Gabrielle 🙂

    Stefan
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    The chiropractor wants to see if the cause right now is the inflammation before x-rays, as he beleives it is an inflammatory issue now.

    Maybe I should try to do all but the backbending poses.

    An ayurvedic doctor I visit recommended an ayurvedic herbal preparation for inflammation I have not tried before.

    Thanks for all suggestions and support.

    lee
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    Michal Harris recommended “Healing Back Pain” and “The Divided Mind” both by Dr. John Sarno during a local workshop. I read the latter and found it very helpful. I see Dr. Sarno also now has a website up, http://www.healingbackpain.com/index.html

    Hope This Helps,
    Lee

    Stefan
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    I found a post where you, Gabrielle, wrie about focusing on backbends.

    This article also talks about that:
    http://www.bikramyoga.com/testimonials/HerniatedDiscs.htm

    Thete is says that the first part of the Camel can be done several times during the day. I tried that yesterday and it feels OK.

    Maybe I have been wrong in focusing more on the forwards bends, and should not work hard in them.

    Bikram dialog from iTunes is really good. Now I understand what he means with push, push, push, kill yourself etc. That IS how it feels when you do yoga with a backproblem. But of course, it is about a stretch pain, not an injury pain. And the push, push, push, kill yourself, work hard etc do not really apply when you already are healed, flexible and strong I guess. I can feel that in some poses.

    Gabrielle, you should als o have a dialogue for download. So we the “homeyogis” can have different teachers. Now, when no dialogue it takes like 30 min faster, 60 min instead of 90, but when one really want to be like in a studio it is great with the dialogue and a great way to be remined about the details, yet important, one do forget.

    Gabrielle (The Hot Yoga Doctor)
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    Hi Stefan

    Normally I would say focus on backbends but your posts seemed to indicate that you were having trouble with them.

    Because others are not privy to our other emails, I can say that your recent emails to me have told me this is what you are doing and it is working for you. So I am relieved that you are feeling better.

    Keep us posted on your progress

    Namaste
    Gabrielle 🙂

    Stefan
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    Most backbends seem to have goo effects on my back, BUT, the bow on the floor is terrible. I don’t know why, but bending backwards and lefting both legs hurts. Standing Bow feels good. Strange.

    Stefan
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    I was at the doctor today. He told me I most likely suffer from a mild Spondylartros (don’t now the english word).

    He put me on some anti-inflammatory drugs.

    If you know what Spondylartros is, maybe there are things in Bikram Yoga to put extra attention on.

    Except this problem my body is in better shape than ever and I skate better and more smooth than when I was 25, and thanks a lot to Bikram Yoga.

    I have no other plan than to skate at a high level forever… I do have a fighting spirit and now I will cure and stop this Spondylartros, and need some tips and advices.

    Stefan
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    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Osteoarthritis

    so, i guess bikram yoga and ayurveda can help me, and the most famous hot yoga doctor… gabriell scanlon!

    in this article Osteoarthritis is not just because one is considered old… ( i do insist i am ageless…;-) but it is a process of years of wear and tear.

    Gabrielle (The Hot Yoga Doctor)
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    Hi Stefan

    Thank you so much for keeping us up to date with your condition!

    May I ask you please to check with your doctor what the exact name of your condition is?

    There are 2 very similar terms with differing meanings. One is Spondylitis (and then it could be either Spondylitis or Ankylosing Spondylitis) and the other is Spondylosis. As your guess of Spondylartros is not clearly one or the other, it would be so much better for you to be clear as to the diagnosis. It would give you a better idea of what you can do…

    Namaste
    Gabrielle 🙂

    Stefan
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    It also might be Spondylitis.

    So difficult when names differ from swedish and english.

    Spondartros is what the doctor said it is called in Swedish.

    I asked an indian ayurvedic doctor (vaidya) that visits Sweden now and then, and he thinks it is Spondylitis. But I don’t think so..

    Confusing…

    Stefan
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    Talked to a nurse today and Spondylartros is latin, and simply means inflammation due to wear and tear. Everyone gets it in time, more or less, some with symtoms, some not. Comes with age my doctor said.

    Gabrielle (The Hot Yoga Doctor)
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    Hi Stefan

    That is a relief. Of all the 3 conditions I mentioned spondylitis is the most innocuous, and I hope that is all it is! The others are more serious and are degenerative conditions.

    Namaste
    Gabrielle 🙂

    Stefan
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    I still only know that it is called Spondylartros in latin.

    I think it IS degenerative… as it is smething that get worse by age.

    The wear and tear makes something on the spine grow more, or change, and thus put more stess on the muscles and then it gets inflammed.

    My condistion is mld, but very painful.

    Bikram Yoga has not so far helped, but maybe is the reason I can still skate, but if I stop for 5 minutes I get so much pain and stiff.

    So, Bikram Yoga do not help cure me. As I skate I can not do Bikram Yoga everyday, but do 2-3 full classes and 3 hald classes and a few pick-me-up. Some say the only get releif when doing 2 or 3 full classes a day, but that is impossible for me.

    Now, maybe there are ways to change my practice in order to heal from this condition?

    When I have done a backbending, it is diffuclt to do a forward bend.

    The bow on the floor is really bad and painful…

    Should I rest a few days from the Yoga now when I am taking anti-inflammatory drugs?

    Can Bikram Yoga be bad for the inflammation?

    Stefan
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    5 days (out of 10) on anti-inflammatiry drugs. Does not help.

    Maybe it is the Bikram Yoga itself that creates this wear and tear and inflammation? I hope not, as it is so good for my whole body, but maybe not for my back… 9 months of pain and stiffness and struggle with the yoga. I seem to be worse in the back from the Bikram Yoga, especially the backbends aggravate stiffness and pain.

    After the backbend in the half moom I can hardly bend forward at all as my back gets so stiff from this backbending. Anf the bow on the floor is so very painful, just by lifting legs 1 cm.

    This summer I rested on full week wth no Yoga and no skateboarding, but it did not make any difference at all.

    The only time I really feel good is 30 minutes of skateboarding and just by sitting on a chair or in a sofa.

    Will the rest of my life be in a chair and sofa and I will become a couchpotato? 🙁

    Stefan
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    I still have not found out the english name og my condition. the latin name the use is Sweden is Spondylartros.

    Researching the the internet I am quite sure it i Osteoarthritis.

    noone here that knows the english name for Spondylartros?

    Stefan
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    Finally!

    What I have is called Spondylarthropathy.

    Now, as Bikram Yoga ahs not helped so far, any ideas how to chnage and adapt my Bikram Yoga practice so that it will help heal my condition?

    Gabrielle (The Hot Yoga Doctor)
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    Hi Stefan

    I am pleased you are getting your professional advice and seeking treatment. If I have my own wiring correct then Spondylarthropathy is the generalized term that encompasses the 3 conditions (and more) that we have both mentioned in previous posts. Have you seen a specialist yet to get a more exact idea of your condition?

    With regards to what you were saying about yoga:

    I would like to say that for decades now you have been skateboarding. This is a high impact sport that, I am guessing, may have contributed to some of the problems that you have developed over time.

    I wonder how much worse it would be had you not been practicing Bikram yoga or any of the other things that you do (including your meditation practice). In short I am sure that you are getting benefits and that you would be far worse off without your yoga.

    In the meantime while you are seeking a definitive diagnosis from an appropriate specialist I would suggest not doing poses that cause you pain. There is nothing more important than your back so hunt the best person down for the job. And please keep us up to date.

    Namaste
    Gabrielle 🙂

    Stefan
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    Than you Gabrielle.

    You are try about benefits. From 1982-2000 I had lower backpain problems that came, disappeared with the help of a chiropractor, came back, disappeared with the help of a chiropractor etc. I did yoga a lot, even yoga specialiced for back problems but it did not help. Some told me I shold stop skating and one yoga teacher told me to try something like Bikram Yoga. My chirpractor told me to go to the gym.

    Going to a gym was out of the question as there is no gym close where I live, and it takes too much time from my skateboarding (and watching Syar Trek… ;-). I asked John Douillard, expert in ayurveda and author of Body, Mind and Sports, to help me with yoga, and he told me to check out Bikrams book. So I bought and it looked in it while going through the series, but truing to do it and looking in the book got so frustrating I picked it up and threw it a way a few meters… Then went to the net and read somewhere to read one chapter, do that pose and next day add a pose. So I did that and in 26 days or so I had learned the series. My back felt better, I went to the chiropractor and he asked what I had done, as he saw positive changes with my body – my core was stronger. He did some corrections, went home and continuned with Bikram Yoga and skateboarding and didn’t need to go back to the chiropractor until now, 7 years later… not bad!

    I have had some small problems in my back during these 7 years, like many athletes, but it disappeared within 3 days of Bikram Yoga.

    Then this june I woke up one morning with stiffness and pain.

    I have tried some other yoga, targeting back problems, but it does not help. So Bikram YOga is my choice again. And I think I will be areful with he floor bow, and only lift the legs and not twist and try to grab them. It seems to create some kind of pressure in my back that is not good. Or try a towel or something to grab on as you suggested before.

    I guess I should be very careful with all poses, and don’t go too deep, but to a light stretch.

    I am not giving up…

    Stefan
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    Is less more? No pain, most gain?

    It is late at night, i have watched a saturday night movie. just did the half moon and forward bend before going to bed. I haven’t done any yoga for a week.

    I took it very easy, I only took each stretch to a very slight little stretch. I didn’t even stretch my arm sup so they touched the ears, but only to a very little comfortable stretch. The same with bending to the sides, backwards and forward. i kind of let my body just “fall” easily into the poses. No forcing at all. Just trying to do as little as possible… well, hrmmm, the opposite of what Bikram says…

    Something happened… I felt so much bliss. It was like a very high degree of mind-body coordination, like during deep meditation.

    Can this be the way to go?

    The Ayurvedic expert John Douillard (lifespa.com) do teach that the more you push your body during exercice the LESS fat you burn.

    Tomorrow I think I’ll try the full class at home with doing as little as possible.

    It would be great of more here would try that and see how you feel. But maybe check with a Bikram Yoga teacher like Gabrielle first…

    JennyO
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    Hi, I just wanted to add that sometimes I approach a practice with the intention to “try easy” instead of “try hard”,
    or an intention to find the muscle that needs to relax in each pose. I have always learned something this way.
    I had spine surgery ( my c 6- c7) one year ago today, and still must sometimes “baby” my neck and spine. Good luck with your pain Stephan.

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